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Sightings on the Radio
with Jeff Rense
Sunday, June 1st, 1997 8:00pm - 11:00pm Pacific Time
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Transcribed by PJ Gaenir, firstname.lastname@example.org
Transcribed from audio cassette which was courtesy of Jeff Rense.
This is a "general" transcript. It does not include every syllable.
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JEFF: As far as remote viewing the past, present and future, as being one and the same, let us now if we can take a look ahead, we are being deluged with millenial madness, end of the world prophecy, doom and gloom all the time, has Joe McMoneagle looked, if we can use the term again advisedly, into the future?
JOE: In fact, the follow-on book to Mind Trek which is, I sent it to my agent in New York and I've since received it back and I'm doing some corrections on it, deals almost entirely with the future. In fact it deals with "time" across the board, I talk about how past, present and future is inexorably tied together, like a giant web, and you know, pull one string and you change all of reality. And within the contents of the book I addresstwo periods specifically, one period is from 1997 through the year 2050, and I address that very specifically because I intend that to establish the veracity of my predictive ability, and then I spend a great deal, or perhaps half the portion of the book, talking about the year 3000 and what we can expect to happen in that time period.
JEFF: We're going to be around, aren't we.
JOE: [laughs] Yeah, certainly in some form we will be. One of the things that I talk about is the fact that we, in predicting the future, it's what I call 'the Verne effect,' we have the capacity for creating, conceptualizing facts about the future, simply in the act of predicting them, so it would obviously be of benefit to us to predict positive things, because we're establishing sort of the seeds for those realities. I've gone to a great extent to keep it as positive and as constructive as I can. It's not so much the case with the year 1997-2050, because many of the events that will occur have already been set, you know the stage has sort of been set, and those events will probably occur in spite of how constructive we might want to be.
JEFF: How would you, how would you lay those events out for us, just in a thumbnail sketch.
JOE: Probably the one that's most troubling to me, between now and say the next ten years, is I envision -- well actually between now and the next five years -- I envision another major war in the middle east.
JEFF: Some people say we've got, you know, two or three years, and that dovetails exactly with what you're saying.
JOE: That's probably correct, and there's a whole lot of reasons for that, and I'm trying to establish the causes, in the hopes that maybe some people somewhere can take positive steps to alter the course of history.
JEFF: You're actually working on that right now?
JOE: That -- yes, I hopefully will get this back to my agent within the next week to ten days, and maybe it'll go out to publishers then.
JEFF: Well, we certainly expect that you will be back on this program when that book comes out Joe, you're invited right now.
JOE: I'd be glad to.
JEFF: War in the middle east. How big of a scale are we talking about here, in your opinion?
JOE: In my opinion, I think it's going to be a major conflict. One of the problems here is that there is an area in the middle east that everyone now is interested in, it's the extreme Eastern Turkey, Northern Iran, Southern [unclear] area, it's predominantly the area that the Kurds reside in.
JEFF: Northern Iraq?
JOE: Yes -- um, well, Northern Iraq is certainly going to be involved. It's an area that is probably the richest area for oil in the world. And the problem is that in the ensuing conflict, which will begin on a small scale, it'll be a, quote, an anti-terrorism move, probably by a number of countries, our expectation will be that our current allies will be there to support us, I don't think that's going to be the case, I think we'll be very surprised at the position that perhaps Turkey and Saudi Arabia will take. It will certainly threaten the oil supply to Western Europe, and that's great cause for concern. Iran will be involved. Iraq is a great threat in this regard, because Iraq, we've essentially taught Saddam Hussein what _not_ to do; in the next conflict he will take steps to not make the same mistakes, and I think that there will be others involved in this particular conflict that were not involved previously.
JEFF: Conventional arms leading to nuclear arms?
JOE: Um, no I don't think nuclear arms will be used, but it'll certainly be a very messy war, but there will be [JEFF: C.A.D.?] certainly [C.D.R.?], CD-type chemical, biological weapons will be used.
JEFF: Lot of spill over into surrounding areas?
JOE: Yeah, I can't help but think that this will grow; our various problem is going to be bringing material and men and supplies and whatnot into that area --
JEFF: It's going to be a big ground conflict, with lots of nasty and messy weaponry, if I understand, that's what --
JOE: Yeah, that I think you can be assured of.
JEFF: Will it make its way to the shores of the U.S.?
JOE: In an indirect way. I believe that that's probably already being planned.
JEFF: In other words, a chemical-biological retaliation perhaps, in the heart of some --
JOE: Well I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but I certainly suspect there will be some very concerted attempts to create incidents of terror, or terrorist-type activities.
JEFF: Again we're gonna break, but non-nuclear warfare, to the best of your knowledge?
JOE: That's correct.
JEFF: Alright, we'll be right back, with Mr. Joe McMoneagle.
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JEFF: Ok, we are back with Joe McMoneagle, we've got, not a whole lot of time Joe, these shows go so fast with you, I want to just kind of rattle off a few questions. In summary, you say, coming conflict that you see in the next 3-5 years that you see, will be geographically confined to the middle east, for the most part?
JOE: For the most part yes, that's how I see it.
JEFF: Gulf War II, but bigger?
JOE: Yeah, I think it'll encompass a lot more area. One of the things I wanted to say, I like to counterbalance what negative things I have to say with things that are positive, and I, so I want to make another prediction available here, in the next 25 years, we're probably going to develop a methodology for doing surgery without ever breaking the skin. And I think that will be an incredible advancement in terms of medicine. So that's something that we can look forward to, as well.
JEFF: Well a lot of wounded veterans from this next war may appreciate that.
JOE: Yeah, um, it's, kind of black humor there.
JEFF: Yes, well we'll accept it, because there is some positive --
JOE: And knowing predictively some of these things, it may be possible that steps can be taken in a political sense or in a rational sense that will either delay or will --
JEFF: Allegedly we still have free will at our disposal
JEFF: But when you have international petrochemical giants vying for petro dollars, and we are simply the numbers in the computer, one wonders how much is available to us, ultimately, I don't know. Do you see a number of dead in this conflict or injured, did you come up with any round numbers, it would just be speculation of course --
JOE: No, I would rather not even --
JEFF: I understand, that's a dark thing to get into. Is this Armageddon, Joe?
JOE: No, I don't believe so.
JEFF: The biblical people might say it is, but...
JOE: Well there's certainly, you know, many people that would ascribe a religious significance to it of some kind, or, you know --
JEFF: We're seemingly very well keyed for something like you are speculating upon here. Can remote viewers locate precious metals and petroleum and so forth?
JOE: As a matter of fact, through my company, I established my company in 1984, I've done a lot of metallurgical work, locating minerals, locating specific kinds of stones for quarries --
JEFF: Isn't that dowsing though Joe?
JOE: I do in fact do a lot of dowsing in combination with remote viewing. I spent some time at SRI learning dowsing with a woman by the name of Francis Faering, and was able to develop that talent quite well.
JEFF: Can remote viewing be used to recruit other remote viewers?
JOE: That's an interesting point. We attempted to do that, and I went around and talked to a number of people as possible candidates, and filed a report in which I made my views very public about the possibility of those individuals becoming viewers, and it was totally ignored. [laughs] [JEFF: Ignored by whom?] Ignored by the administration that had hired me to go do that. The problem was then that most of the predictions I had made came to fruition.
JEFF: [laughs] Problem for them.
JOE: Yeah right, exactly.
JEFF: Joe's company again, if you're interested -- I didn't know it had been around that long Joe --
JOE: Yeah, I actually put it together when I retired in 1984 from the military, and went to work for SRI.
JEFF: How interesting. The address again is PO Box 100 Nellysford Virginia 22958. Or you can email Joe at email@example.com. What about remote viewing vis-a-vis some of the health problems that we are facing as a species here, i.e. the AIDS epidemic, hepatitus C, have you looked into that aspect of it at all, of pestilence on all of us?
JOE: Well, the human race has been subjected to pestilence throughout its history. There is no doubt in my mind that within the next 20-25 years we'll find, if not cures, antidotes for most of the diseases that we're suffering from now. But they'll simply be replaced with other diseases; it's a constant war that we're fighting on the medical front. And so I think the expenditure of dollars in terms of research within the medical arean is important, if we're going to stay ahead in that war.
JEFF: Do we see any major changes ahead in our acknowledged failing political systems here in this country?
JOE: Oh, I think we can certainly look to some changes that are going to occur across the board. No one's going to be exempt from those changes over the next few hundred years.
JEFF: Speaking of exemptions, have you seen anything that might lead to some relief from the IRS?
JOE: [laughs] Outside of taking it out and shooting it, I don't know --
JEFF: I can hear the 'amens' now, in my non-remote-viewing head, already...
JOE: Yeah, the tax system leaves a lot to be desired, and it's gotten to the point where it's damaging almost everybody that's connected to it.
JEFF: Yeah it's, by law it's a voluntary compliance we're all saddled with, and I understand that only about 70% of the people are voluntarily complying anymore, that's supposedly a secret but it is failing I think. We'll be right back with Joe McMoneagle, this is Jeff Rense, and you're listening to Sightings on the Radio, on the Premiere Radio Network.
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JEFF: And we're back, our remaining minutes with Joe McMoneagle, his book MIND TREK, it's just must-reading, you've gotta read this one, Hampton Roads is the publisher, and Joseph McMoneagle is the author. His company is located at PO Box 100 Nellysford Virginia 22958, or you can email Joe at firstname.lastname@example.org. And please do contact him. I want to ask one other quick question here, and then get kind of a summary statement for you Joe. Before I forget, let me invite you to come back at your earliest opportunity when your next book is published or about to be done, we're going to pursue this by all means, so you are invited, please do consider that invitation open and long standing.
JOE: I appreciate that Jeff.
JEFF: Does the ingestion of any chemicals, pills, drugs, enchance the ability to remote view, to your knowledge?
JOE: No, in fact there's evidence that the Russians expended quite a deal, a great deal of energy in testing that sort of thing. And literally ruined more minds than they were able to use. In fact, ingestion of any chemicals in trying to develop the mental ability to remote viewing is deleterious to the effect. You should be in fact cautious with caffeine, anything that affects the nervous system. So I would recommend, for anybody that's going to be involved in remote viewing, that they learn to discipline themselves away from any those, assist -- chemical assistant type of things.
JEFF: You mentioned earlier that you though "mind" may be not only outside the brain, but maybe out this dimension, that may possibly be multidimensional, different levels of consciousness maybe, it's all quite complicated and all of that -- how do see the use of mind-altering drugs in general on people?
JOE: I think what the chemicals actually do is they interfere with the function of the brain, and if the brain is simply an interface device to mind, all we're doing is we're loading static onto the line. I've, in my own experience, have found that there's a lot more clarity in not using chemicals, "clean and pure of the body and mind" so to speak.
JEFF: How 'bout, about a 60 second summary statement here Joe.
JOE: I think remote viewing is a very interesting field, it's a very new one; I sort of look at it as the flight by the Wright Brothers. Of course when the Wright Brothers got off the ground there was no such thing as aeronautical engineering. I suspect in 100 years we'll know a lot more about the mechanisms of remote viewing, and it will become a science unto itself.
JEFF: How 'bout in the 5-10 years?
JOE: In the next 5-10 years, I think enough predictions can be made that it'll prove the veracity of remote viewing, at least as a method of say, targeting other methodologies, in forms of creativity, perhaps aiding or assisting in developing where we're going with our products and things like that.
JEFF: Real quickie. Any natural earth disasters or cataclysms headed toward the U.S., in terms of major earthquakes or things, that you see?
JOE: Probably within the next 50 years we'll see a couple of earthquakes near eight on the richter scale, but that's normal, we'll have the normal cataclysms.
JEFF: OK, alright, thank you again Joseph McMoneagle, for a totally wonderful and fascinating three hour program, I really appreciate it.
JOE: You're very welcome Jeff, thank you for asking.
JEFF: We'll talk soon.
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