The Art Bell Show - April 22, 1997
Major Ed Dames on the A-10 and the N.O.R.A.D. Alert
Excerpt of an Art Bell Coast to Coast radio show -- phone call with Ed Dames
Bell: Now, a bit of a surprise for you. Here, from California, is Major Ed Dames, PSI TECH’s Ed Dames, a remote viewer and I think most of you should be familiar with him and his work. Major Dames, welcome to the program.
Dames: Good evening, Art.
Bell: Is there anything that you can tell us about... Well, let me begin and cast away everything else that we’ve been talking about for a few moments and... when we first talked, earlier today... you said something about the A-10... that you might have some information on the A-10.
Dames: Alright. We broke away from a couple of our operations, we are running in-house operations, to take a look at the A-10. We thought it would be a good break in the action so we ran 4 professional remote viewing sessions against it and our initial take is that the pilot is dead, the airplane crashed, he crashed his aircraft. It is not in Colorado, it looks like it is... our best cut right now in terms of an interim report... is that the pilot’s body and the aircraft... the aircraft wreckage... are in a snowy, high mountain area in Northeastern Arizona... not Colorado.
Bell: A snowy, high mountain area in Northeast Arizona.
Bell: Wow. Alright.
Dames: And the pilot is dead.
Bell: And the pilot is dead. And how much...
Dames: It looks like he may have ejected but, if he did, it was very low. It is difficult for us to separate the idea of a parachute or an ejection seat from this but the body is in bad shape, we know that.
Bell: How much weight would you give to the report as you have given it so far?
Dames: We would not report this to the Secretary of the Air Force unless we ran about 3 to 4 professional remote viewing sessions on it so, in the credibility scale... confidence factor... from 0 to 10... 10 being the highest... I give this an 8, right now. We only go forward with official reports at 10.
Bell: OK. Now, let us deal with some of this other wild information that we’ve got. I don’t know whether you’ve had access to my website or not?
Dames: I took a look at it earlier this evening.
Bell: Ah. We have these military photographs... these geos 9 photographs... of something apparently very large.. I mean there it is... infrared and analog. Any thoughts?
Dames: Well, this is one time, as you know, as a former scientific and technical intelligence officer at the office of the Secretary of Defense level... very high levels... my job, during war time was to leave the continental United States and be by the theater commanders... a four star commander... during combat operations... in case there was something surprising on either the tactical or the strategic battlefield. In that case, it would be my responsibility to discern... to use operations research and systems analysis techniques combined with prior intelligence... to identify what was killing our systems or our soldiers and airmen on the battlefield. So, I have seen many things that are very very classified and I actually... this is the one time, I think, on your show... where I cannot discuss what that may be. If it is generating all this activity at NORAD, then we have a very very serious situation. Now, I will at least append that statement with the following: what might you guess would be the biggest threat to this country... militarily?
Bell: That’s a question... not an appendment to a statement.
Dames: Yeah, that’s a question.
Bell: What is the biggest military threat to America?
Dames: Obviously, nuclear delivery systems.
Dames: Now, where would they be at this juncture? We have most of the land bases, in the erstwhile Soviet Union... now the CIS... under watchful care but what happened to the submarines?
Bell: That is an interesting question. My understanding is that a lot of the Russian subs are dry docked... some of them remain active. I guess some of the top of the line stuff remains active, for whatever reason, and that is about all I could tell you. You know, information out of Russia is very scattered and I don’t know what they are doing militarily.
Dames: The Russians were no sloughs when it came to military technology, as you know. Yes, they lost the economic war but they did not, by any means, lose the strategic war. In fact, some of their military capabilities were extremely brilliant. The SS-18 is a good case in point, one of the best ICBMs ever made, was one of the most formidable threats to this country until the end of the cold war, but the Soviets had their own SDI program... or really... a response to our SDI program.
Dames: And those kinds of things... if they were implemented... would be very secret and might look very different than anything one might think an SDI system would look like... might not be an anti-ballistic missile system that used anti-ballistic missiles. There may be other things out there.
Bell: There have been reports, over the last several days, of a lot of active work going on in Russia... digging very deep bunkers. I mean that work is still going on, actively right now, despite their financial hardships and you have to scratch your head a little bit about that one, too. Why would they be spending precious money... rubles... on digging hardened bunkers when all the war is supposed to be over?
Dames: Well, it’s still a very very dangerous world. It’s more dangerous than it was during the mutually assured destruction period, in many ways. For continuity of government purposes, in order to have a country left after a possible war, you’d have to have a command structure: command control, communications, computers and intelligence. All of those things are in very deep bunkers, similar to Cheyenne Mountain. We have ours and the cold war is over.
Bell: We do but they’re still digging like crazy and you have to wonder, scratch your head about that a little bit. Alright, we have also a rash... and I mean a rash... of sightings that began in March, about mid-March. Certainly the Phoenix sightings were extraordinary... they were no flares... and we seem to be in a period of very heightened sightings of all kinds of things crossing our skies that don’t make sense. So, as a general question, do you make anything out of that?
Dames: Well, the company still stands by our report of the object that broke away from -- that was affixed to Hale-Bopp comet and we have said that it is either en route or here so just keep that in mind. It’s going to be here if it’s not already and that may be accompanied by something else, observers or whatever.
Bell: Alright, on behalf of some people who’ve ordered your PSI TECH (TRV) training tapes, I think there was a glitch in the delivery time and I’ve had a few messages so can you update anybody out there... for those who have ordered... when they will receive their tapes.
Dames: Yes, certainly. They are about 3 1/2 weeks behind schedule because of some editing glitches and we are working fast and furious on those now, to fix that. So, my apologies for the tardiness of the delivery.
Bell: Alright, so the answer is they are going out about 3 1/2 weeks from now or...
Dames: The first of May is the delivery date for the Introductory tape.
Bell: The first of May, that is about 2 weeks. Alright, you’ve given us already a great amount of information on the A-10. While I’ve got you on the air, do you accept as reasonable, the explanation for the NORAD alert? That is, some sort of domestic terrorist threat delivered to the military by the FBI. Does that ring...
Dames: Absolutely not.
Bell: Absolutely not?
Dames: No. Absolutely not. There would be no reason for NORAD to close it’s doors unless it was undergoing an exercise or the real thing. A terrorist attack would have minimal effect on NORAD and NORAD is not in the business of dealing with terrorist attacks.
Bell: Alright, I’m going to ask you the same question I asked Peter Davenport and that is, if something really was going on... whatever the hell it would be that would cause this alert... would the American public be told the truth?
Dames: No, it wouldn’t... not in this case. If this is what I suspect that it could potentially be, we would not be told.
Dames: There are a number of reasons for that, Art, all national security... of course. For instance, let me give you a minimum reason. One reason would be that there would have to be detailed information about what we are responding to, if in fact we are responding to a real threat, and that detailed information would represent what we know about a potential threat country... an enemy, a potential enemy. That might be very classified information and that is something that would not be give away. Nor would how we are responding to a threat like that because the threat may be a ruse or just an error on our part. Those are just a few of the reasons.
Bell: It’s now been many hours that this alert has been in progress. I began hearing about it early afternoon. I don’t know when it actually began but I have received no information that it has been canceled so this has been going on for now, conservatively, 12 hours. Isn’t that quite a while? In other words, if they had evaluated something as a hoax or a misstep that caused an alert, shouldn’t they have evaluated that by now and be out of alert status?
Dames: Yes, so I think we may be dealing with a serious situation and, by the way, that so-called F-14 pilot was not an F-14 pilot. You probably already knew that.
Bell: Yes, we both had our doubts about that but I think the reports of greatly increased military activity are generally accurate. Dames. I am not in a position to know. I am working on some other things. We haven’t shifted our fire, so to speak, onto this aspect right now but I will say that the only thing that my guess would be... the only thing that would be serious enough to... for the kind of reaction that you’re describing... if it’s correct... would be in response to a possible ‘boomer’ or ‘boomers’ out in the deep seas somewhere.
Bell: Ah, Lord.
Dames: You’ve got to be ready because if something popped out of the water you’ve got to be able to nail that. You must be able to nail it before it actually goes ballistic. Once it goes ballistic and it is coming down into the atmosphere over the USA...
Bell: It’s too late.
Dames: It may not be too late but the odds of nailing that bugger are pretty slim.
Bell: Ed, what do you know about our ability of nailing something in the boost phase, in other words, after it comes out of the sea and it’s boosting? Can we really nail something at that point?
Dames: I can’t talk about that, Art. Those are all strategic operations data and I just can’t go into those details but you have to be able to know where a launch is projected first and, as long as you can see through the water... or you can predict where a ‘boomer’ will be... you are in much better shape. But if you don’t know where that ‘boomer’ is, or if it is parked somewhere... very quietly... the way that submarines are want to do... at the bottom of some sea trench somewhere... you may be in trouble.
Bell: Well, you know the submarines... I guess... are generally always there. I mean, they cruise our coast as we cruise their coast.
Dames: That’s correct.
Bell: The question is, what in the world would provoke this difference? It must be some sort of assessment of intention rather than capability.
Dames: That might be a good guess.
Bell: That’s all I’m doing is guessing. (laughter) Well, I know you’ve got a busy night. I want to thank you for coming on the air. I’d be glad to hold you over for half an hour and let you take some calls if you want them but it’s up to you.
Dames: I think the calls would probably be asking me about operational questions and I don’t think, in this particular case, Art, I really would be able to answer them.
Bell: Ok, so you’ve given us, basically, as much as you can.
Dames: I think so.
Bell: Alright, Ed, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning.
Dames: Ok, I hope I’ve been of some help.
Bell: Ok, thank you very much. Take care. It is a night of great mystery and concern. Why oh why would we have been under an alert status for now... in excess, I know, personally, of 12 hours... when they began announcing it... about this time, actually, on CNN. I don’t know.