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This is an archive file of the public Viewer [VWR] email list. This list is sponsored by the private Viewer Forum, hosted by Paradigm Systems and Design, and owned and operated by PJ Gaenir. It is dedicated to discussion of the practical aspects, theories and experience of formal psychic methodologies such as Controlled Remote Viewing, and independent efforts by the public interested in working under the formal RV protocol (the set of rules which define "remote viewing" as the term was coined in a science lab). You can find details, rules, and a form for joining the email group here. The list is moderated during operation and archiving. I remove last names and detail locations of contributors (within the archives) for privacy, and signatures for space conservation. I have added notes marking the posts from former U.S. intelligence remote viewers. Archiving of posts is done manually and may not include all posts.

This is the first archive.

(Contains a lot of personal introductions, and conversation about 'what CRV is' (and what it's not), some Q&A on early RV practice, etc.)


APRIL 01 1997 TO APRIL 10 1997
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Welcome to the Viewer Email Group!

This is the first email in the public version of the group, in case you've been wondering where everybody is! The 'old crowd' and CRV people are still filtering in slowly, so give 'em time.

This list is designed for remote viewers. I invited the public because there are many people interested in legitimate and serious conversation about remote viewing -- and it's hard to find. Talk about theory and practice are both welcome here.

I'll be using one of my personal sites (firedocs) for some practice targets I thought people on the list might enjoy -- I'll put a notice in here every time a target or feedback goes up. Some include dowsing data, date and even time data, etc.

Since this is the start of the group, and it's not unmanageably large yet, I'd like it if some of the list members would volunteer something about themselves, their interest and/or experience in RV (what kind, when, their goals, etc.). You don't have to have experience -- interest is fine! -- just let us know something about you. Let's give people a chance to get to know each other, and see what we have in common (or not!).

I'm a student of CRV, and have been studying the subject, the field, its personnel, its history, and so forth ad nauseum for well over a year now. I've learned a tremendous amount, and unlearned about six times that much already. More of that to come, I'm sure.

Feel welcome to post any questions or comments in line with the topics of this group. Nice to meet you!

PJ Gaenir
[VWR] List Owner
palyne@sciencehorizon.com or palyne@sciencehorizon.com
firedocs
http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/


We were asked to tell a little about ourselves and our interest in remote viewing. My interest stems from an out of body experience that happened to me quite by accident. The incident initially frightened me, but it also sparked my interest.

Although I have as yet been unsuccessful in my attempts to deliberately induce an out of body experience, it has happened to me several times spontaneously.

My interest in this has only increased over the years, and I would love to learn not only more about the subject in general, but also specifically methods others have used successfully to be able to induce an OOB or a remote viewing experience.

Cheers, Laura


I should be working on a take-home exam due in 90 minutes, but I figure I might as well jump in here early. I'm Paul H. Smith ("but you can call me Paul"). I am a seven-year veteran of the government's remote viewing program (having been recruited in 1983), and have been involved in RV one way or another ever since. I "went public" a few months after my retirement from the Army in September 1996. I am currently president of and only instructor for Remote Viewing Instructional Services, Inc. ("RVIS, Inc."). While one of RVIS, Inc.'s obvious goals is to make money, it has another not-necessarily-for-profit mission, which is to provide education in general to the public at large, and interested individuals in particular about the nature, history, context, and implications of remote viewing, particularly what has come to be called "controlled remote viewing" or CRV. Besides that, I just love to talk about something that has been such an important part of my life for so long. All these facts together account for my presence in this discussion group (except profit motive--I don't intend to "hustle students" through the auspices of this group; I'm just interested in discussing issues and ideas;).

That's probably too much introduction already, and I have to get back to work. Looking forward to many lively discussions in the future!

Paul

Remote Viewing Instructional Services
http://www.rviewer.com/

[Archive Note: Paul H. Smith, former U.S. Intell RV]


My name is Angela Thompson and I have been teaching an extended version of remote viewing, for the past two years, through Inner Vision Las Vegas. I have a background in nursing and social work, a Masters degree in psychology, and I have almost completed my Ph.D. in psychology. Starting in 1979, I began a journey of research and exploration that brought me to the US from England, and into contact with many professional groups that were studying and practicing remote viewing/remote perception. I worked at the PEAR Laboratory at Princeton University from 1987 through 1992 and participated in research investigating precognitive remote perception. Since 1990 I have provided consulting RV services for such groups as PsiTech and Intuition Services. My philosophy is that remote viewing is a teachable, cognitive skill, and that it should be studied in the same way that we study other cognitive abilities, such as learning and memory. I am excited that we have, at last, a forum for the sensible discussion of remote viewing, and I look forward to learning from and contributing to the group.

Kind regards
Angela Thompson

Inner Vision Las Vegas
[formerly innervision, site now closed - archivists note]


Hello,

I have been investigating these areas for 40 years, the last 11 years I have been researching the area of Ascension Experiences and the two edge sword effects that occur.

An AE often occurs during a near death or huge win. It is that moment when the Being experiences a massive high. Usually an out of body experience. Often after an Ascension Experience people manifest new abilities, such as telepathy, remote viewing, forward viewing, (ability to see the future)and other heightened awareness manifestations.

Remote viewing is more a by-product of my work than a focus. I have used this ability to run international companies. Scout for locations and perceptive clients.

As most of you are probably aware, the basic problem with remote viewing is: Is this what you are truly perceiving or is it something you are super-imposing in the environment.

So the question that I'm always asking myself is: Is this remote viewing, or is it remote halucination?

My intent for being on this list is to learn.

Alan


About my interest in Remote viewing... I have always been fascinated by the concept of beeing able to witness happenings in other places (and or times). I started reading up on astral voyages and out of body experiences, but have never been able to induce one. When I found out about remote viewing and that it can be taught like a skill I knew that this was the way to go. My main reason to be in this group is to learn more about CRV and eventually maybe even get to experience CRV...

-- Cesar


OK Viewers,

There's a practice target up at the public firedocs site! Includes optional frontloading and bonus questions.

[edited details]

If you want to post your impressions in the list feel welcome to do so -- although keep in mind, if you are going to RV the target, DON'T READ any post that might be others' data until you've already done your session, or you'll have monster stray cats / AOLs to deal with!

Good Viewing!

PJ


Hi.

I'm Lyn Buchanan. I am an 8 1/2 year veteran of the government's remote viewing program which most people have come to know as STAR GATE (Yes, it's TWO words). While working for the project, I worked as 1) a remote viewer, 2) database manager, 3) property book officer, and 4) trainer (one of them). I retired from the Army (and that project) in 1992.

I presently run a company called "Problems>Solutions>Innovations", which started out as a small, data analysis company, and sub-contracted for computer consulting corporations in Washington, DC (commonly known as "Beltway Bandits"). During the time between retirement, up to Dec. '95, I also taught CRV to people in the government who were in a position to know it existed, and did a few projects on the Assigned Witness Program (more on that below). When the information about the project was declassified back in Sept. of '95, I watched with horror as the press made a zoo out of it and "experts" who didn't have the first clue about what it was started coming out of the woodworks, proclaiming that they had invented it, they taught it, they worked for us, etc. etc. As a reaction to that, I started the CRV web page, in order to put the true information out to the public. The response was overwhelming, and soon, the CRV work became so demanding and time consuming that P>S>I became a Controlled Remote Viewing company.

Now, I teach CRV and run CRV projects for corporate customers and for some individuals. I also run the Assigned Witness Program, a public service project where trained and experienced CRVers help police and other public investigative organizations. The AWP started out mainly working on missing and abducted children cases, but is now working murder cases, and the entire gammut of criminal cases.

So much for me. Glad to be a part of this group. Hope you participate freely. A good exchange of ideas is beneficial to everyone.

Lyn Buchanan

Problems>Solutions>Innovations
http://www.crviewer.com/

[Archive Note: Lyn Buchanan, former U.S. Intell RV]


My name is Bill [edited]. I'm studying law, working at [a] District Attorney's Office, and am interested in the use of remote viewing in law enforcement and the possible future interaction of RV with legal systems.

Like Laura, I am also interested in learning to control spontaneous, disturbing out-of-body experiences which I began having five years ago, and which tend to occur about once every two or three months. I trained with Lyn Buchanan in Mechanicsville last December, and one of the reasons I did so was to see if RV training might enable me to control my OBE experiences.

Bill


My interest in the so-called scientific remote-viewing comes from my amazement it could be generated logically and methodically without the usual extravagant psychic overtones. But then, what do we really know about the psychic? I had done work as a researcher in parapsychology, using hypnosis as a tool; and recently have lectured on parapsychology and related UFO phenomena at Malaspina University College on Vancouver Island. I was raised in a Catholic family that casually accepts the validity of the paranormal and paraphysical; and my problem with conventional parapsychological research is its basic working premise: The phenomenon is suspect unless proven otherwise.

To introduce myself: I am an art instructor and painter, sensei in aikido, former newspaper editor [major papers; edited], writer and poet. I have personally examined OBE (out of body experience), simple scrying (with beryl ball) and palm-reading. I've experienced many psychic episodes and "synchronicities"; but they never happened on demand -- only when necessary and quite spontaneously. Being non-psychic and normally grounded, I've wondered whether the real clincher is this -- we all need to live the psychic life casually and normally. We simply have to accept it.

[Victor]


Dear Laura,

It's natural to feel frightened -- initially -- by out-of-body experience. But it means the operative "phantom body" -- some call it soul -- is waking up and in training for the subtler regions of the astral planes. Training takes time. Meditation helps. Recording the encounters reinforces the skill. A quiet life-style helps -- or sometimes results from this. But trying "to induce" is not necessary. A good wholesome attitude is more useful and eventually productive.

The two books by Sylvan Muldoon (from experiments supervised by the Parapsychologist Hereward Carrington) is a good reference.

Cheers.

[Victor]


Greetings,

I come to this group through my recent correspondence with PJ regarding remote viewing. I am interested in learning more about remote viewing and psi training and development. It has been an interesting experience trying to determine what information in the media/cyberspace was accurate regarding remote viewing, and who actually had practical experience in this field versus theoretical or imaginary experience. Thanks PJ, for pointing me in the right direction.

My own personal experiences regarding phenomena such as intuition, OOBE, premonition or seeing things seemingly by non-physical means has taken me down a road that has lead me past conventional science, medicine and psychology.

Not until I had heard about remote viewing did I actually think there was a real possibility, that someone had successfully developed a training program utilizing the psi abilities of the brain.

I am a musician, composer, 1st degree Reiki practitioner, web designer among other things. Blessed or cursed with a healthy dose of skepticism thanks in part to having a father who was a clinical psychologist and a grandfather who was a medical doctor.

One application of RV I find intriguing would be the archeological use of RV to get a more honest picture of mankind's past to better understand our evolution and perhaps help shape a better future.

Regards,

Roger


Dear Victor,

I find it interesting that you have a literate background, many people who have had psychic abilities appeared to have also had newspaper or printing experiences.

My work and investigations lead me to believe literacy is a prime key to unlocking psychic abilities.

Re: Your earlier statement: "I've experienced many psychic episodes and "synchronicities"; but they never happened on demand -- only when necessary and quite spontaneously."

I have developed an Ascension Chart that catologues the psychic growth of a Being. I call the different abilities and awareness levels The Zones.

At the bottom of the Chart is the Red Zone:
Here the Being is in the wrong place at the wrong time, very little or no awareness of self as a Spiritual Being. Most often cannot believe psychic abilities can be real.
Is overtly or covertly at war with everyone and every thing.

The next level up is the Yellow Zone:
This is the "maybe" level.
The Being is unsure where the right place or right time is. Usually to poorly trained in any life skills to be able to control his thoughts. Tends to have to be told what to do.
Very little awareness of self Spiritually.
Tends to operate linearly.

The next level up is the Green Zone:
This Being is aware of self Spiritualy and is in the right place at the right time, with the right people, playing the right game and living their dreams.
Things go very right for Beings at this level.

The next level up is the Gold Zone:
This is a Being who operates mostly outside his body. Also operates outside of time and space. At this level most of their psychic abilities are being used to create a very positive effect on life and their environment.
Being outside of time and space they operate "spontaniously."
Most athletes have experienced being in the Gold Zone. It is that time where everything tends to go in slow motion. When everything goes perfectly.

If you are interested in more data about the Zones, I have several bulletins on my web-page.
http://www.knowledgism.com

Alan


Hello -

Name: Bob [edited]; D.O.B. 10/17/31; married (she's a sceptic remarkable insight re. the motives/character profiles of the people she meets); 'should probably be here instead of me!); residence: Lafayette, IN; ed.: BBA Cincinnatti; 2 yrs P.G. (pre-med physical, chem. & life sciences), Purdue (trying to put to use a love of medicine acquired as a navy medic during Korea); 'now "practice" vicariously through my kids, (son in CA, daughter El Paso) both Veterinarians; two gr.chldrn (El Paso). Retired but still involved-(partial S.H. and co-founder, custom molded urethane foam co., Lafayette, IN, and full owner of second operation, similar to the first). Former State Farm Insurance agent (17 years; left to return to first business to keep it intact). At this point, have more time to call my own. Pretty much a "night person"...ergo, the Art Bell show and first exposure to the subject at hand. 'Source of several questions I will pose. But first:

My Goals/Purposes for entering this forum:
1.) To LEARN;
2.) Join a viewing group @ novice level;
3.) Locate or Establish "levels of progress" based upon POSITIVE "participation" in SUCCESSFUL results;
4.) Obtain or Create a directory of locations of forum participants...perhaps at specific attained levels of training and participative success (Objective: Regionalization for pyramiding and consolidating results, hopefully towards yielding more accurate and meaningful determinations)

What have I to contribute?:
1. Perhaps a little more time than others
2. An inexplicable belief in the 'paradigm' (or naivete)
3. Integrity
4. Profound emphasis upon right vs wrong
5. FORMER "Altruist": "I'm a student of Human Nature The lesson I've learned is this: He who 'turns the other cheek', Gets hit with the OTHER fist!" ('Cosby', I think)
(Also most likely reason...no entry to med school. Not 'in vogue' where the proper answer is: "To get rich"!)
6. Strong desire to prove, promote, expand the concept...given the scientific means of proving and improving its reliability.
7. Will to assist others (both outside and within) in exchange for same. (Don't we ALL have a thing or two we'd like to know to assist us in making vital decisions?!!...if not for ourselves then for our loved ones.)

QUESTIONS:

1. How many...like myself: Arrived here via Art Bell & Co?
2. Total No. (to date) in this forum (whether 'subscribers' or not)?
3. Of these, how many (%) like myself: NO CRV TRAINING AT ALL!
4. Of these, how many (%) have begun "training/learning" within past 12 months? From whom? What medium?
5. How many (%) have been at it for awhile (i.e., > 1 yr)?
6. 'Anyone know the basis of Ed Dames' "accuracy" claim? And,
7. Given the numbers and communications media (i.e. fax scanning... esp. among a local network of viewers...as in a community such as ours: a university town) from which filtered data could be forwarded) does anyone who's been at this for awhile believe that the percentage of "hits" can be brought to 'near perfect'?
8. How best to utilize input from more diverse locations; esp. from those whose inherent capabilities for accurate perception is greater than most?

That's all, I guess.

Sincere and warm regards to all.

Bob [edited], Lafayette, IN


Although I am responding to an e-mail from Alan, this is really meant for everybody:

I think all of us might benefit if I try to clear up a few misconceptions about remote viewing. This is not meant in any way as an attack, so I hope no one will take offense.

I have heard several times recently from people who feel they have been using or been involved in the use of remote viewing for some years now, even as early as the '60s, '50s, and even in one case, the '30s. Remote viewing itself was not developed until the '70s, under the auspices of Ingo Swann and SRI-International. This was later "product improved" to become CRV.

However, the phenomemon behind RV has a long and venerable history. I am referring to what is often known as "clairvoyance"--a French term meaning "clear seeing." All remote viewing is necessarily clairvoyance. But not all clairvoyance is necessarily remote viewing. In explaining RV to someone who has never heard of it, I often describe it as "controlled" or "disciplined" clairvoyance. Here is the difference: those who practice clairvoyance have always been plagued with the problem of "mental noise." This is precisely what Alan is talking about when he asks if what one perceives psychically is true, or if it is something one is "super-imposing in the environment."

The intent of RV, however, is to impose some sort of error-correcting and noise-suppressing techniques and structure on natural clairvoyance. This is why there can be different types of remote viewing, just as there are different types of noise suppression for stereo systems. The system Ingo Swann developed, now known as "Controlled Remote Viewing," is one--and so far the most broadly successful--of them. The ERV methodology that Joe McMoneagle has used to great effect is one of them, as is to a lesser degree the ganzfield approach devised by Charles Honorton.

Neither Swann, nor McMoneagle, nor Honorton have a monopoly on RV per se; ANYone who devises a SUCCESSFUL system of noise-suppressed clairvoyance may lay claim to having devised a remote viewing method. Anything else is merely natural clairvoyance--which at times can be remarkably successful, but is usually very inconsistent.

Hence, the answer to Alan's question, "Is this remote viewing, or is it remote halucination?" is "neither of the above"--it's actually natural clairvoyance.

Best regards, Paul

[Archive Note: Paul H. Smith, former U.S. Intell RV]


Paul wrote: >Although I am responding to an e-mail from Alan, this is really meant for everybody:<

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

A little more background on myself:

I first met Ingo Swann in New York around Jan 67, we had a long discussion about psychic abilities. I further met Hal Puttof in 71-72, I followed some of their research through one of their original backers Bill Church.

>I think all of us might benefit if I try to clear up a few misconceptions about remote viewing. This is not meant in any way as an attack, so I hope no one will take offense.<

No offense taken!

>The intent of RV, however, is to impose some sort of error-correcting and noise-suppressing techniques and structure on natural clairvoyance. This is why there can be different types of remote viewing, just as there are different types of noise suppression for stereo systems.<

I don't appear to suffer from noise. I'm expanding my viewing into the stock market. This is quite a stretch as you have both the action holograms and the reaction holograms to decipher.

The Spiritual hologram precedes the physical universe action. Thus you can see the future. I keep score by the amount of successful trades or successful no trades. I had a successful period for six months. I didn't miss on a trade.

>Hence, the answer to Alan's question, "Is this remote viewing, or is it remote halucination?" is "neither of the above"--it's actually natural clairvoyance.<

Having expanded the subject to clairvoyance, now includes several other aspects to remote viewing.

My biggest problem is to learn your nomenclature, so I would appreciate it if people do not use abbreviations or initials.

PJ used the initials AOL's. What does this mean?

Perhaps someone would be kind enough to define fully Remote Viewing.

Again, I thank you for the time and effort in educating me.

Alan


My name is Mark and my first introductions to concepts similar to remote viewing came in a book called Telecult Power that my father owned when I was about 12 years old. I have had "experiences" as long as I can remember that I have playfully come to refer to as "psychometric seizures". The first experience I had was when I was about 7 or 8 I believe and playing with a toy that my parents had bought me at a garage sale. When I touched the toy the room seemed to have an overlay of another room superimposed on it and so long as I kept hold of the toy the room remained in his somewhat "inbetween" state. I have sat for hours on end with different objects holding them waiting for this phenomenon to occur and it never has. I have tried meditating with different objects and still nothing. But when it does it is quite frightening and not very desirable in the middle of a Wal-Mart Superstore, etc. I happened by chance onto the Remote Viewing pages on the internet and I am basically hoping that I can learn to control this experience with the protocols and structure of RV. I have basically studied paranormal "stuff" most of my adult life I guess as well as alternative fields of healing (I practice Reiki and Clinical Hypnotherapy). My wife and I also own a word processing and transcription service and I also find that I have very odd experiences with computers when I am in a very emotional state of mind. I am usually a very logical thinker and I know that these experiences are happening to me and so I am hoping to get some control of them and maybe even some use out of them. Anyway, I guess that is quite enough for an introduction.

Mark


Hi Laura!,

Thanks for letting me post this to the list.

<<Is there somewhere I could look up the accepted terminology associated with CRV? Within the documents at the web site, is there one with a glossary or something similar?

Ah, yes. Well, no. Sort of. How's that? ;-) The standard terminology (which is a combination of what's been invented or used by Swann and what's been used in the lab and what's been used by the intelligence Viewers) is not all that complicated, really. However, it's usually not advertised, because in order to use all the terms properly you'd have to know what context they're used in, and in order to teach the context you'd have to teach somebody the methodology, and -- well, people wouldn't be charging a hefty amount to teach CRV methodology if the how-to was in a paperback. ;-)

That being said, there are some basics that I'll certainly go over. Mind you, there are some variations from instructor to instructor, and in the lab, but they're mostly the same. Hopefully Paul will correct me if I'm confused on any points, I'm still new to much of this.

[Archivist Note: Lyn Buchanan's P>S>I has allowed me to put their terminology manual on the firedocs web site. You can find it on the RV Misc. page.]

<<I'm not sure what you mean by 'cue' or 'frontloading,' and I'm rather confused as to what one would do with a 'dowsing' target.

OK. 'Cue' is whatever is communicated to the Viewer to 'prompt' them to go get the data. It can be a set of random numbers, or the date, or even just "find the target."

'Frontloading' is data that is provided to the Viewer about the target (or surrounding site), usually in the hope of minimizing time spent figuring out something already known and getting to the important part that is NOT known. For instance, if the goal is to describe what a person looks like / is wearing, and it is already known that there IS a person, the Viewer might be told, "The target is a person."

In the lab, they've discovered that a mild amount of frontloading actually increases results; too much harms it.

'Dowsing' is when, instead of describing, one locates. You may recall the term's been used for people trying to locate water for wells, for instance. Dowsing can be done on anything. And in fact, dowsing can also be used for 'yes/no' type questions. Pendulum work is a form of dowsing, but everybody has their own methods.

<<And I'm sure you don't need a newbie plaguing you with questions every time you pick up your e-mail.

Hey! That's what I started this email group for! Well... and the idea that there'd be a lot of other people to answer questions besides just me. :-) My email box was starting to go unanswered...

<<and went to the 'feedback' (there's another word I messed up on!)

Sorry! 'Feedback' is the "answer." When you've finished your session, you go look at the answer to determine what you got correct or incorrect.

I've changed my mind on how I'm putting those up. Initially I'd planned to provide the feedback a few days after the target. But I believe very much in immediate feedback, so now every target that goes up, feedback will be available then too.

PJ


Hi Mark,

<<I happened by chance onto the Remote Viewing pages on the internet and I am basically hoping that I can learn to control this experience with the protocols and structure of RV.

"Telometric Seizures" -- what a great term! -- and what a great talent. Even if it is sporadic and unpredictable.

Do these ever seem to be interactive (where you interact with people in the 'second reality'), or do you merely sense yourself in another place? Is it always linked to an object, or does it happen without known cues?

<<I have very odd experiences with computers when I am in a very emotional state of mind. I am usually a very logical thinker and I know that these experiences are happening to me and so I am hoping to get some control of them and maybe even some use out of them.

I mess up anything electronic if I'm upset. Which only makes me more upset, of course... until my computer is a jumbled disaster of software and hardware errors and I'm completely enraged. :-) I tend to think this is physiological rather than psychic though. Though of course, psi must be at least partly physiologically based as well.

PJ


Hiya Bob!

Whew! Where to begin? ;-)

Thanks for the intro. I don't think I've ever seen so much data condensed into one paragraph!

You said: <<4.) Obtain or Create a directory of locations of forum participants... perhaps at specific attained levels of training and participative success (Objective: Regionalization for pyramiding and consolidating results, hopefully towards yielding more accurate and meaningful determinations)

Meeting other people with similar interests is a good opportunity in this email group. But be warned that the names in this group are private, unless they choose to post... and that the group is a public group: not everybody in it is a Viewer (and many of the Viewers may choose not to post, as they notoriously prefer confidentiality).

If you are interested in research, that's the kind of thing you'd probably need to do locally. There has been a great deal of research done on remote viewing; while much of it is still classified, much is not. (You can find abstracts of some related research papers at my firedocs site.) You might wish to read what's already been done; they've learned an awful lot, and it's worth not reinventing wheels!

<<Strong desire to prove, promote, expand the concept... given the scientific means of proving and improving its reliability.

See the above, regarding what research has already been done. There is, of course, a world open to further exploration.

<< 1. How many...like myself: Arrived here via Art Bell & Co?

Those who choose can volunteer answers to this.

<< 2. Total No. (to date) in this forum (whether 'subscribers' or not)?

Sorry, all membership information is confidential.

Trivial note: this isn't a forum -- it's an email group -- a forum is a site that has active communications (such as BBS and chat rooms). This email group is sponsored by the Viewer Forum, but that is a private site.

<< 3. Of these, how many (%) like myself: NO CRV TRAINING AT ALL!

Chances are, most of 'em. :-)

<< 6. 'Anyone know the basis of Ed Dames' "accuracy" claim? And,

There is no known basis that my own look into this field has discovered.

<<... does anyone who's been at this for awhile believe that the percentage of "hits" can be brought to 'near perfect'?

The people I know who have been at this the longest and most intensely are themselves the first to tell you that it is not 'near perfect.' Once in awhile a session may be mindblowingly good.... but usually, if we're talking about detail profiling here (proper analysis), it's going to vary. At least, as long as you're using humans.

<<How best to utilize input from more diverse locations; esp. from those whose inherent capabilities for accurate perception is greater than most?

Can you elaborate on what you mean? In current remote viewing -- both application and research -- the Viewers are usually all over the place... they provide their results by fax / email / mail. I refer to "home" -- wherever the Viewer calls home -- as "Kansas", a joke on the Wizard of Oz concept... because since space is not an issue in remote viewing, it is another (punny!) definition of "non-locality."

PJ


Hi,

First I'd like to thank PJ for putting this list together. My name is Vickie [edited] and my husband Stormy and I have been watching the remote viewing story unfold and have been trying to learn all we can about the subject. After seeing Joe McMoneagle on a T.V. show do an impressive session and watching the Jim Schnabel's "The Real X-Files" we were pretty blown away, to say the least.

As for occupations, I am currently enjoying an early retirement. Until recently, I was the director of a sleep disorders lab. Stormy is a high school English teacher. Looking forward to some good discussions on the theory and practice of CRV.

Stormy & Vickie


Hello viewers,

My name is Raphael [edited]. Although I don't feel ready to introduce myself that's the way it is sometimes. I work as an Manufacturing Engineer with the [edited], with commercial, space and military experience. The reason I have joined this list is because I like to keep the machine well oiled. The picture making machine within us all. I would like this list to benefit each and every one of us in our growth, awareness, and understanding. I have trained with the Washington Psychic Institute From '81 to '83 primarily as a psychic reader. My interest is primarily people since my daily work is already immersed in the practical mechanical sciences. Basically, my observation is simple and usually not intellectual. It is with a group such as yourselves that has an applied interest that is comfortable as a working ground for me. I also have an interest in shamanism and am exploring my own potential in these areas just for the hell of it. Please excuse me if I don't get involved in technical intellectual discussions unless they are of an exoteric nature. I have noticed it seems to drop my energy levels to see clearly. However, clear concise thoughts are utilized in my daily life and if our discussions are all listened to and understood I see nothing but benefit for all. So with that, lets get it on!

Raphael


Here are my answers to some of Bob's questions:

<1. How many...like myself: Arrived here via Art Bell & Co?

I did.

>3. Of these, how many (%) like myself: NO CRV TRAINING AT ALL!

Absolutely no Training. A lot of interest though.

These are the only 2 I can answer, I'd really like to know if there is anyone elese on this list who like myself has had no training whatsoever in CRV.

Hopefully, involvement in this list will increase my knowledge on the subject.

Cesar


Hello Bob,

I, too, have no CRV training whatsoever. Although I did not arrive via Art Bell, I'm somewhat familiar with him, and some of the subjects he pursues.

You mentioned Ed Dames -- there's a lovely article written by PJ at the firedocs site (I believe it's under the 'Mixing it Up' section) that touches quite a bit on this Dames person. [Editor's note: the article is mostly about Dr. Courtney Brown, not Mr. Dames.] Although I cannot remember the entire title of the article, the word 'cult' was in it. It should be relatively easy to find. And, I must say, I enjoyed it very much.

That's about all I can add, at the moment.

Cheers, Laura


Howdy Alan.

<<The Spiritual hologram precedes the physical universe action.

I think you may be correct in this, but it's definitely not something many people are aware of.

<<PJ used the initials AOL's. What does this mean?

Analytical Overlay. In CRV, one describes -- they do not identify. Identification is a form of analysis. When Viewers stick to raw data, they do very well. When they begin trying to tell you _what_ that data is, their accuracy usually drops dramatically.

<<Perhaps someone would be kind enough to define fully Remote Viewing.

Well, there are actually two things involved.

The term "Remote Viewing" was coined by Swann and (the story varies -- either) Janet Mitchell or Gertrude Schmeidler, in the ASPR (American Society for Psychical Research) labs back in the 70's. Swann used this term -- new back then -- to describe his methodology for obtaining this type of psychic sensory data. Over many years both Swann and others further developed and refined his techniques into what is now called (by Swann and others) "Controlled Remote Viewing." So, the first part of the answer is, it is the obtaining of psychic data through the methodologies and protocols of CRV.

The second thing involved is the protocols (controls) themselves. There are people who do not use the Swann methodologies, but do use the lab-based controls necessary. Without these controls, no matter your methodology, it technically isn't "Remote Viewing," unless you want to use that in a slang way, such as "anything perceived that is not sitting next to you is viewing remotely." Alternate methodologies which use the strict controls are considered acceptable remote viewing as well (though VERY few persons or methods I've met live up to those controls). In general however, it is the combination of Swann methodologies and lab controls which sum up what "controlled remote viewing" is considered today.

That is what I study. However, because I'd like this email group to be a welcome place for students and interest in many types of remote viewing, I opened it to the public. Over time, you will see other things come up: such as TRV, a derivative of Swann's methods, or SRV, a derivative of TRV, or to jump out of RV altogether and into what's better called "remote perception," those interested in out of body versions of data collection; then there's those, such as the Silva based methods, who feel it's about astral projection; then there's those who have their very own way of going about things.

While this is a CRV list, I feel there's a lot to be learned and shared by different people with different ideas. I may occasionally throw my two cents in about what RV is technically NOT-- mostly to keep from having the non-Viewers on the list hopelessly confused. Mostly, I hope that the insights of many people in this overall field, combined in one friendly place, can contribute to everybody's knowledge, including mine.

I'd like to hear more about the dual hologram study you do. There is a way to call this part of RV but it requires some creative semantics. ;-) I'm just personally very interested. Many metaphysical disciplines recognize this -- e.g., Dianetics and their "mocking up" technique -- but few that do it really well. Your ability to use it for polarity/binary work (up/down, yes/no stock market) demonstrates you've got some comfort with it.

PJ


Hello PJ:

>>"Telometric Seizures" -- what a great term! -- and what a great talent. Even if it is sporadic and unpredictable. Do these ever seem to be interactive (where you interact with people in the 'second reality'), or do you merely sense yourself in another place? Is it always linked to an object, or does it happen without known cues?

There have been many times in my life when a "great talent" was not something I associated with the experience at all but I guess when you get right down to it if I could control it some it would be an asset. The only interaction it seems to have with people have also, unfortunately, not been a pleasurable or desirable experience either. I seem to be able to complete take on others emotional states from time to time if they touch me unexpectedly. Which may mean laughing out loud suddenly in a very somber place just because they were "giggling" inside or getting very upset and about to sob in the middle of a mall or movie theater because I am touched by a someone moving to their seat. Not very fun sometimes I must admit so most of the time I tend to shy away from people and large events because I simply can't cope with them without wanting to run screaming down the street, well, maybe that was an exaggeration.

[long quotes deleted]

The main thing that seems to happen when I am in an emotionally "charged" state of mind is that my computer will spontaneously reboot in the middle of what I am doing with no warning....this is not good since my wife and I also own a transcription service and I may be in the middle of typing medical reports, etc., when this happens.

I am also very interested in Remote Viewing for archaeological veiwing to get a clearer picture of the ways things really where, or are, depending on the quantum view I suppose. What do you think about past viewing as a tool for the present?

PJ


Giday

I'm Bradford [edited] from Canberra, Australia (the Capital, not Sydney) and I'm a relative newcomer to this exciting field. I have always had an interest in OOBEs, having read books on astral travel and the like, but have never had any experiences. Since discovering about CRV I too have become a student of the discipline. I hope to take classes from Lyn Buchanan later in the year, but in the mean time I intend to learn as much as I can which is why I'm on this list. Has anybody out there heard of the Monroe Institute's Hemi-Sinc tapes? Do they work? They claim to be able to teach Remote Viewing.

Cheers

Bradford


PJ: I have a handout of the terms used by P>S>I, and their full definitions. While I would strongly caution everyone to realize that what you said to Laura is really true: that the words & their definitions do not make up the methodology, they do tend to explain some of the problems and theories behind the CRV process. I would be glad to send you the handout (it's about 18 pages) for HTML-ing and putting on the site. In fact, it's probably a good thing to post on mine, as well. I would further caution people to realize that Ingo Swann formally requested that people NOT use his terminology. Therefore, most of the terminology used by P>S>I is different - but for the same problems and principles. Mainly, I just use the "slang" terms that the students have come up with over time. The handout also includes a "translation" into "Ingoese", so that when people use Ingo's terms, they will know what is meant. In reality, I think there are probably more people using my set of terms now than Ingo's but both historically and practically, it is Ingo's which is the baseline for all CRV learning. Anyway, I would be glad to make that public property, if you'd like.

Lyn Buchanan

[Archive Note: Lyn Buchanan, former U.S. Intell RV]


>> the handout (it's about 18 pages) for HTML-ing and putting on the site. In fact, it's probably a good thing to post on mine, as well. <<

Something like this would be ideal for those of us who are beginners.

>>While I would strongly caution everyone to realize that what you said to Laura is >>>really<<< true: that the words & their definitions do not make up the methodology, they do tend to explain some of the problems and theories behind the CRV process. <<

Precisely! It's the nomenclature itself that initially confused me. Words such as 'cue' and 'frontloading' had me thoroughly baffled. It's things like that which bear more explaining, as PJ so thoughtfully did for me.

It should go without saying that the terminology, itself, should not be expected in any fashion to make up the methodology. For instance, if the discussion at hand were 'Astral Projection' one of the terms that might be cavalierly bandied about could be 'silver cord.' Now, most people even vaguely familiar with AP would probably recognise the concept of the 'silver cord' that binds the astral body to the physical one (whether the 'silver cord' belongs to a particular methodology or not), but for the brand-y new 'listener' it might be a complete enigma, even taken in context. The definition of 'silver cord' in and of itself doesn't have much bearing on any one particular method of achieving an OBE, but it *would* go a long way to reducing some of the confusion to the new student.

So, it is with regard to similar terminology in the CRV world that I make my request for definitions or explanations. In another post PJ gives the differentiation between CRV, other forms of RV, astral projection, etc. This, too was *most* helpful to a newbie like myself, and yet those definitions that she gave do not purport in any way to describe particular methodology(ies).

One thing on which I would like further clarification is the difference between the definitions of 'description' and 'analysis' of a target. What constitutes pure 'description' and when does it start to become 'analysis'? Would an example be something like this: Description: a white, hollow, half-spherical object, possibly a bowl Analysis: something in which you store food

The reason I'd like further clarification on the above terms is because PJ said something along the lines that descriptions tend to be more accurate, but when people start to analyse a target their accuracy begins to go down very rapidly.

Thanks for your help.

Cheers,

Laura


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