[VWR]-Digest: V2 #72
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:12:47
From: Dragnwng69 <Dragnwng69@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR] List Business - and a note from Pru
<< Yet Another Moderator's
Note - My Last One: Even though Gene was
sweet to me, I am sure that underneath that calm exterior lies the
heart and soul of a lion... PJ has her system up and running, and
will be returning as Ship Captain tonight. I enjoyed my time with all
of you, and will continue posting as a regular member of the list.
Thanks, everyone. Peace, Pru >>
Thanks for moderating Pru! You did a great job!! We had better see
your name popping up now and again or I am gonna fly out and give you
a good flogging!! <eg>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:59:19
From: "PJ Gaenir" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: [VWR] List Bizness & Misc.
I'm writing to you from the sunny land of Paradise Texas. My online
access is a bit sporadic, so VWR posts will go out whenever I can get
online for a bit, howz that for unpredictable.
I am accepting applications for folks who'd like to help me out with
some html stuff for the VWR list, PSI list, my Firedocs web site and
other projects. The pay is minimal.... you really gotta love RV or
me to want to do this. :-) I've got a lot of stuff to do that will
never get done at this rate unless I get some help. Archiving the
lists is a big part of it. You'd need Netscape Composer (free for
download online) and a decent text program (free online) and an FTP
program (free online) and some basic wordprocessing skills. I'm
willing to walk someone through how-to but some basic knowledge is
If there are any artists out there, I'm interested in featuring some
original art on the Firedocs site, it's being dramatically revised
toward that end. (Er..... eventually!)
Although I'm in Texas now, I'm going to have to go back to Seattle to
pack up and move the rest of my stuff down here. This will probably
happen sometime around the end of May. I am considering renting a
hotel suite for a weekend and inviting anybody who wants to stop by
the Seattle area to come and join me for some munching and talking
about RV. (Those with long drives can bring a sleeping bag and crash
on the floor overnight.) A lot of people have asked to meet me over
the last couple of years and I've refused, for various reasons
(privacy is important to me, is a big one, and this field draws
some strange folks!). But since I'm leaving that area, I'd like to
take the time to meet some folks interested in RV before I go.
Anybody interested, send me email and let me know. This is open to
VWR members and other people I correspond with via email and from my
web site(s), not to the world at large, so I want to nail down what
kind of interest there is and who before I make plans, since I'll be
taking time off work and so on for it. Thanks! :-) Note: This is
not a class on RV. Just casual chat.
I've been skimming the VWR posts that went up since I left. DRUGS!
Whoa, man. Groovy. OK, that's over now. Otherwise, some very
interesting stuff. :-)
Thanks for being part of this with me you guys. Since I am in the
beginning process of dramatically revising just about every aspect of
my personal life, my business life, and my online life, anybody with
suggestions for my online stuff, feel welcome to provide them.
(Suggestions about my personality may be declined. :-))
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:18:40
From: "Paul H. Smith" <email@example.com>
Subject: [VWR] 2nd UT Skeptic target
Don't know what happened to the
notice I sent out about the first "skeptic
target." Somehow or other it never got posted. Just checking in to let
y'all know that Target #2 is now closed. Ten people worked the target.
Now we wait 'til they post the feedback and responses to see how well
everyone did. Once again, the URL is:
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:37:36
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Joseph W. McMoneagle)
Subject: Re: [VWR]-Digest: V2 #71
Thanks Pru for all your efforts on the VWR Digest's part. Your
support for PJ while she was in transit was commendable. Now stick
around and continue to share your comments.
Welcome back, Palyne. Missed you and your support to the Digest. Hope
that all is well.
Joseph W. McMoneagle -- IIA, Inc., P.O. Box 100, Nellysford,
Virginia 22958. 804-361-9215 FAX: 804-361-9056
"Courage is the best Slayer." Thus Spake Zarathustra, XLVI--The
Vision and the Enigma; Friedrich Nietzsche (pub. 1917)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:46:25
From: Yaana Allen <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR]-Digest: V2 #71
> > 2. You are then
softening the filtering mechanism between the conscious
> > mind and subconscious mind. This filter keeps you from becoming
> > overwhelmed and tends to filter both ways, allowing only small portions
> > to go into the subconscious mind and only allowing small portions to go
> > back to the conscious mind. .....
I question this interpretation of the function of the filter. If the
sub-conscious has access to the matrix, i.e. the electromagnetic
signatures of every event which has ever occurred, from the blink of
a gnats eye to the biggest disaster, and the sub-conscious observes
and experiences without judgment, two way filtration is not relevant.
The sheer magnitude of potential events to view and experience only
requires a focus of attention, which we do each time we think about
something. In remote viewing we discipline that thinking process to
acquire target data. The disciplined focus is required to break us
out of our constant state of judgment if we expect to get accurate
It is our conscious minds that pride themselves on their ability to
judge, add significance to events, and feel that they must understand
each thing in relativity to another. It is this primary
consciousness which tends to get overwhelmed. Not so much from the
brute force of the events, but from the significance it has placed on
the events and it's ability to comprehend it in relation to previous
significance's it has placed. Our conscious minds are the source of
AOL, and we live in it every day when we allow the interpreted
significance to eclipse the actual data we head off down the rabbit
I have done Past Life Therapy for 20 years, the reason our sub does
not readily allow us to experience all of our past lives, is this
propensity to judge. I have seen may people reeling from psychic
readings or spontaneous remembrances of past lives because they now
had multiple life times of events to either beat up themselves (or
others) with, or use as justifications for current behavior, none of
which would occur with a competent therapist, but is a natural... "Oh
My God.. this must mean........"AOL
Many studies have been done on Holocaust and other trauma survivors,
they seem to fall into three categories: 1: those who feel guilty for
being alive, bitter and angry and feel they must never let anyone
forget their suffering 2: those who feel lucky to be alive that
because they survived they must live life to it s fullest enjoying
every moment 3: and those who go about their lives and do what is
needed quietly without reference to the past. These people were
side by side experiencing horrific events, yet the balance of there
lives was not determined by the event as much as it was the
significance and therefor attitude they have about the experience.
This is tremendous power.
If we lived in the moment, experiencing events and moving on, as our
sub-conscious does, the idea of long term suffering from trauma, or
the need for filters to protect us from overwhelm would be
nonexistent. The source of suffering is the judgment and attachment
to the way it was before... not the event. the source of accuracy in
RV is the discipline to collect data without interpreting it .
My goal to develop the skill of RV is to observe these patterns in
and out of session, because disciplined protocols are not enough to
maximize our RV potential if we indulge in sloppy thinking between
sessions. Although not always easy when I run into a particularly
sacred cow, this has been a real blessing. When I have my full
awareness in the present dealing innocently with events I find I am
much less susceptible to overwhelm, and my mind does not need to
filter or limit the available knowledge from the sub which may be
vital to an accurate understanding and optimization of the outcome.
Moderator's Note: It is sort of funny that I wanted to start a
hypnosis discussion group for years but didn't have the people, so I
eventually started an RV discussion group and here we are
talking about hypnosis. And related stuff of course. That's kinda
neat! My own experience with "past life" memories (always
spontaneous in my case, but also with subjects under hypnosis) is
that like Remote Viewing, the biggest danger is getting trapped in
either the fascination of the process or the potential meaning of the
details, rather than experiencing it fully then letting go (as you
said above). But when it comes to models of the critical mind (or
"filter") or other perspectives such as you present, so far, every
model I have found has actually worked quite well when applied, even
those that seem to contradict each other. I have to figure this is
because there is so much to the mind and so many ways to approach it.
At least, it's the only explanation I have so far. -- PJ
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:00:16
From: MaryD <Ladyley@innerlightuk.u-net.com>
Subject: [VWR] Wrinkley targets
Has anyone a suggestion for
attaching pictures printed on glossy paper, eg
from National Geographic on to card, without ending up with wrinkles. I
have tried wall paper paste, PVA, without success.
Thanks in advance, an old wrinkly herself, (well nearly) <g> MaryD.
In Friendship and Light. MaryD
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:46:28
From: Prudence Calabrese <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: [VWR] List Business
>MAN! Pru I give you an inch
and you steal the hearts of MY GUYS.
>(Yup, I'm proprietary bigtime about 'em.) Where's my big club? Just
>kidding. :-) I think. Glad you had a good time with Ghengis Gene.
>I see from skimming the posts that he hasn't been too onry with you.
>(He must be getting old.)
Yeah, well you didn't see all the fur flying behind the scenes! ; )
>Hey, thank you so much for doing such a great job with the list! I
>got lots of emails from people telling me all was going well --
>I would have known that if I could read their emails right? <g>
You are most welcome. I had a blast, to tell the truth. I even
enjoyed the discussion on drugs! LOL! I made a few mistakes along the
way, but everyone was so kind and gracious. Thanks to all for
participating while I was moderator! I have made many new friends,
and promise not to be a stranger to the list.
Much peace to all today,
tel: (770) 814-9410
fax: (770) 497-1129
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