[VWR]-Digest: V2 #75
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:26:40
+0200
From: "Liam " <liam@zmatrix.com>
Subject: [VWR] AOL in ERV
Someone asked:
<< What I'm getting at is, are there AOL's in ERV?
Gene replied:
>Most certainly there are AOL's in ERV and after working
extensively
>in both CRV and ERV as a monitor... I can tell you with some
>authority that the evilness of AOL drive happens much quicker
and
>with more frequency in ERV than in CRV... Gene...
.
Hi all;
Liam here. Well said Gene! AOL is a huge danger in ERV. That is
the reason, IMHO, a monitor is more important in ERV than in CRV.
In
CRV you know that if you get a visual it is AOL. But, ERV is
visual,
or maybe para-visual(new word, I just invented). The other danger
is
in ERV you are in an altered state and much less able to reason
out
this is AOL. Telephone poles in a desert become trees, than a
forest
and then you are off on a trip. I believe one basic rule applies
to
interpreting data from an ERV or CRV session. Rule: If it is raw
data - it is probably correct. If it is interpretation of raw
data
(by the viewer while on site)- it is probably incorrect.
Sorry I have not been contributing more. I have been busy. I must
comment later on Pru's comment that Gene was a perfect Gentleman.
Come on Pru. The lad can turn the Irish Charm on when he wants
to,
but under the Celtic charm the man is a barbarian. He did not
know
how to eat with a knife and fork when I first met him. In the
last
twenty years I have been able to educate him so he no longer
embarrasses himself in public but a "Gentleman."????
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:32:41
+1000
From: Mark <bud@sphynxlinks.com.au>
Subject: Re: [VWR] ART BELL & REMOTE VIEWING
Hi Joe, mark is my name and i`m
interested in purchasing one of your
tapes on lyn and his work. I live in australia and our systems
over
here operate on PAL . my e-mail is bud@sphynxlinks.com.au. Please
get
back to me and let me know if it`s still happening . Sorry i took
so
long to reply to your kind offer but i recall you saying you were
going ou holidays. Talk to you soon and good viewing
mark
Ufojoe1 wrote:
> I have for sale, an interview that I did with Lyn
> Buchanan during my basic CRV class in San
> Francisco. It's nothing fancy as far as visuals go
> but the info. that Lyn spouts out is very interesting.
- ---------------
Moderator's Note: Most of the delay was mine Joe, not his. Sorry
'bout that. -- PJ
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:28:22
-0400
From: David Pursglove <74434.351@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR] Re: Drugs and
>Gene,
You seem unaware of the work of Dr. Stan Grof who had outstanding
success
with alcoholics in his LSD-based treatment program. The research
results
of this program still stand as one of the lowest recidivism rates
ever
achieved.
Automobile accidents kill more people every day than
psychoactives ever
have, yet we haven't made automobiles illegal. There is a
difference
between the vehicle and choices made by the driver.
Oh myomy!! A-frigging-MEN!!!
Sorry, but my life has precluded reply to this until now.
Swamped,
y'know..
Go Grof!!! Yr right, of course!
- -=d=-
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:09:43
From: "Paul H. Smith" <phsmith@rviewer.com>
Subject: [VWR] Skeptic page
All--
I'm writing this e-mail in response to a number of questions and
concerns I've received about the U. of Texas skeptic's RV
webpage.
Some have expressed worry that those running the page may not be
objective, may have an agenda, or may be trying to "put one
over" on
us. I had a lengthy conversation with the guy primarily
responsible
for the page, and feel much reassured. I'm convinced that he is
sincere and wants to do a good job with this. He's trying to
typify
the "open-minded" skeptic I discussed in my RV
presentation he
attended last month, which was the impetus for his designing the
page. I made claims for and showed results of remote viewing that
gave him pause, and made him think that of all the claims about
paranormal phenomena he'd heard--and seen conclusive evidence
against--just maybe RV was one that could actually stand on its
own
merits. We even talked about him applying for a grant to turn
this
into a sophisticated and very serious evaluation of RV (he'd need
a
grant to keep the project going for long; he's a young physics
graduate student with a brand-new daughter of whom he is
extremely
proud! :-).
Done right, this could be a very attention-getting and validating
project for RV. It's already received some attention. There was a
fairly positive editorial about it in the Daily Texan, the UT
campus
newspaper. He says his fellow skeptics are monitoring the
project,
but some of them aren't too happy about it. Guess they're afraid
if
the project works they'll just have to take RV a little more
seriously!<g> Besides the opportunity for some real clean
double-blind practice opportunities (something I don't get enough
opportunity for myself), we just might "convert" some
of the "enemy."
Three targets have closed so far, and there's been an average of
6 or
7 sessions contributed against each. There have been a few
complete
misses, but a number of not-too-bad results. There have also been
some glitches. The most serious one was that the one session that
would have been a bona-fide hit (more about that in a minute),
didn't
get into the results. We don't know why it didn't get in, but the
skeptic told me he was totally mortified when he received the
query
about it after the fact. He said literally his "heart
sank" when he
saw how good the results were, and realized they hadn't gotten in
in
accordance with the protocol. He was afraid that people would
think
he'd left it out on purpose, and attribute it to just one more
underhanded skeptic's trick. He was gracious enough to at least
post
it in the forum section of the page after-the-fact so that people
could be aware of the error, and know that the session existed. I
should add, that he's trying to refine the process as he goes,
and
welcomes suggestions. He's had a crash course in website
construction--he basically learned how to do it just for this
project. Expect some glitches, but i think he's doing a great
job,
all things considered.
He and I have both taken steps to set up some safeguards to make
sure
this one particular problem doesn't happen again. If you want a
fail-safe for session summaries that you want to submit to the
skeptic webpage, e-mail me and I'll make sure they get posted in
another "honest broker" location in case of future
problems.
Now, kudos for what would have been the first unambiguous
"hit."
Angela Thompson Smith did a CRV session against Target #2 (which
turned out to be the Cheops Pyramid in Egypt). Here is her
summary:
"SESSION SUMMARY
Rising up out of a bleak sparce landscape is a solitary solid
structure. Colors of black, white and grey. Initially tower like,
it
"morphed" into a triangular structure, like the Cheops
Pyramid. The
structure is located in a bleak, windswept, expansive area which
was
grey and monotonous. Bands or lines run horizontally around the
structure. At the top, the lines radiate out around the peak of
the
structure. Solid structure."
Her sketch, which she faxed me, is a classic pyramid drawing with
horizontal bands around it, representing courses of stone.
Of course, even though in THIS case she "named" the
target (CRV
students note, however, the "comparator" present!),
don't anyone
forget that our job is to DESCRIBE not NAME!
Let's all give Angela a round of applause!
I urge you all to take advantage of this webpage. Let's show
these guys
what we can do!
Good hunting,
Paul
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:50:27
-0400
From: Prudence Calabrese <prudence@largeruniverse.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR] Targeting paradoxHale Bopp 'Companion' RV
>Thanks for the clarification
Moderator's Note Pru. That's exactly the type of
>telepathic overlay thing I was referring to in my own note.
Thanks Bevy!
I viewed the Hale Bopp companion
myself - way back in the Chuck
Shramek photo days (November 96). I "saw" the
companion, and the data
felt as real as any other data. The session was done solo blind,
so I
had no monitor overlay, and I was not in the throes of AOL
overdrive.
I was getting basic perceptuals that would support a Hale Bopp
companion theory - all based on the telepathic overlay of the
tasker
who was expecting me to see such a thing.
Pru
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Prudence Calabrese
Director
TransDimensional Systems
http://www.largeruniverse.com
tel: (770) 814-9410
fax: (770) 497-1129
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:43:56
-0400
From: Prudence Calabrese <prudence@largeruniverse.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR] AOL in ERV
>I must
>comment later on Pru's comment that Gene was a perfect
Gentleman.
>Come on Pru. The lad can turn the Irish Charm on when he
wants to,
>but under the Celtic charm the man is a barbarian.
Hmmmmmmm..... Gene said the same
thing about you, Liam! Now what am I
to believe??? Of course, he didn't eat while we were together, so
the myth continues... I heard some great stories about remote
viewing during the Reagan era, though, and got instruction on how
to
deal with the "little people." Sound advice, all the
way around!
Pru
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Prudence Calabrese
Director
TransDimensional Systems
http://www.largeruniverse.com
tel: (770) 814-9410
fax: (770) 497-1129
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 00:04:15
-0500
From: Rich Krankoski <kranko@ac.net>
Subject: Re: [VWR] 2nd UT Skeptic target
> Moderator's Note: I guess I
fail to see, with 20+ years and thousands
> of legitimate RV trials, decades of intelligence work and
plenty of
> qualified taskers (including those with real cases), why
anybody
> would want to cater to "skeptic's targets"....
Regardles of the motives, I think this is the kind of site I was
looking for.....
examples.......hits and misses....various methods.....etc.
I dont see why any demo should be non-public or not include
misses,
after all I thought the consensus is that success rates are quite
far
away from 100%. I don't believe that anyone in the e-mail group
has
claimed a near 100% success rate for any method.
It would be great if you could get a hit site going.....another
source
of information. I really would like to see tons of good sessions.
I
still have seen very few.
Rich
- ----------------
Moderator's Note: The real number for "real" and
experienced Viewers
is probably somewhere between tons and very few -- but, in proper
protocol (which most things aren't done in nowdays), 'tons'
probably
isn't a claim made too often by the pragmatic..... -- PJ
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