[VWR]-Digest: V2 #77


Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 23:12:43 -1000
From: Yaana Allen <yaana@aloha.net>
Subject: Re: [VWR]-Digest: V2 #73

> Yaana Allen wrote:
> "two way " filtration is not relevant.

> From: "Robert C. Abbott" <rca@worldstar.com>
> ... whether we make a judgement as to whether the
> filter is necessary or not..does not negate the fact that it is there
> and not just for the subtlies of viewing the matrix.

I think Ihave been misunderstood, I did not say that there was no
filter, indeed I also described the function of the filter of the
conscious mind much as you did. My point was that there is no
necessity for the filter to be 2-way because the sub-conscious
lives basically in a dimension with other rules, and judgment,
attachment of signifigance, and overwhelm are not relevant there.
The filter is in place to protect he conscious mind from overwhelm
until it matures beyond taking everything personally which sends us
down the rabbit hole of AOL

In remote viewing we train our conscious minds to suspend the
judgment and collect the data, data we request from the sub by target
cueing and focused intent to retrive accurate target data. When we
observe the tangible experience of what each datum felt like when
collected and only settle for accurate data we improve our
performance . Protocals are the structure we use to discipline the
conscious mind to focus and let the sub transfer target data, our
level of accuracy is a demonstration of our level of discipline at
the moment we shot the target . Until of course we get our eyes and
pop on target, at that point we no longer have to figure it out, we
are standing in the middle of it and KNOW.

> However, I have yet to be able to state conclusively
> that Past Life Therapy is just that Past Lives. I agree with the
> concept and believe very strongly in Reincarnation. However, when
> conducting experimentation, I have been unable to segregate information
> that finely. When I think I am looking at a past life - I am unable to
> rule out all other possibilities like Genetic Memory, Reading a Fly-By
> (ghost that pops in once in a while), dredging up old current lifetime
> memories place in a mozaic of circumstances that gets reported in a
> sensible way. Are we just reading predominant patterns that may exist,
> as well (The ebb and flow of the matrix). We may be looking at the
> Matrix captured events that may not have relavance to our own past, just
> one that we can match with at the time.

I will not argue this at all, the group I trained with spent alot of
time checking events and verfying them, so their is evidence that the
events occured.. but this is still no proof taht it was that persons
past life..over any of the phenomena you described.. I have done
this work because it was an extreamly valuable therapy, moving to a
vitual reality event outside the normal reality, allowed people to
understand the problem they were really trying to solve, solve it
and succeed in bring that understanding back into present time as a
functional skill. Ihave said for years when someone asks are past
lives real ... No one really understands the dynamics of this
experience, but it is a valuable tool, I personally don't care as
long as the tool achives it's purpose.

> >I have seen may people reeling from psychic
> > readings or spontaneous remembrances of past lives because they now
> > had multiple life times of events to either beat up themselves (or
> > others) with, or use as justifications for current behavior, none of
> > which would occur with a competent therapist, but is a natural... "Oh
> > My God.. this must mean........"AOL
>
> I agree that it is a facinating subject. I just have to be careful
> that I don't limit or extrapolate my own logic to the process. If we
> do, we are then guilty of the very thing that the "New Age" community
> tends toward in find logical reasonings. Not always are these
> reasonings correct.

Yes it is vital to let the client unfold there experience with out
the intervention of the therapst, I use movement exercises to orient
the client into there body and have them describe what they are
experiencing. Leading questions are dangerious and generally an ego
trip of the therapist.

Aloha Rob,

Yaana


Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:41:55 -0000
From: "John Krimes" <aaaaa@ptdprolog.net>
Subject: Re: [VWR] hynogogic state-AOL's?

> the evilness of AOL drive happens much quicker and
> with more frequency in ERV than in CRV... Gene...

Hi Gene

The problem I have with CRV is that I can't seem to get anything
other than a giant AOL. Then I decided to drop into an altered
state and cue myself and PUFF, magic. I believe I, and other
newbies, fail(unable to obtain_any_ information) at CRV because of
the inability to quiet the mind. Does any one have suggestions and
how did you experts overcome this problem?

John


Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:28:15 +0200
From: Steve Preston <spreston@cuci.nl>
Subject: RE: [VWR] Wrinkley targets

Hi Mary,

in a hobby shop you may find double sided glue paper (thin sheets).
Put it between the card and the picture, add a blank paper on top
then press the hot iron on it. This should keep your picture wrinkle =
free.

Let me know if you can find that paper, I get it here in the Netherlands
and could mail it to you.

Love and Peace to all
Monika

- -----Original Message-----

From: MaryD [SMTP:Ladyley@innerlightuk.u-net.com]
Has anyone a suggestion for attaching pictures printed on glossy
paper, from National Geographic on to card, without ending up
with wrinkles. I have tried wall paper paste, PVA, without
success.


Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:33:58 +0200
From: Steve Preston <spreston@cuci.nl>
Subject: RE: [VWR] hynogogic state-AOL's?

Hi Gene, how are you doing ? :-)

I learned what you call ERV first (about 15 years ago) and started
RV about 3 month ago and agree with you that AOLs in ERV are much harder
to get rid of than in RV. I believe that the structure provided in RV
prevents from getting driven by AOL. Could be that in alpha stage I am just
more open to everything. (Just my experience)

Love and Peace to all
Monika


Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:15:00 -0800 (PST)
From: shelley thomson <sthomson@netcom.com>
Subject: [VWR] Re: Ingo Swann

Hello, all:

Is it true that Ingo Swann got a patent on his remote viewing
protocol? Can someone give me that number?

Shelley

- ---------------
Moderator's Note: I don't think a psychic method qualifies under the
patent categories I know of. But, who knows. ;-) -- PJ


Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:59:15 -0700
From: greg <greg@ideamachine.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR]-Digest: V2 #72

RE; stuff about the subconscious

I agree, it's kind of difficult to even imagine what the subconscious
or unconscious is - much like how a caterpiller can't imagine what it
would be like to be a butterfly.

One thing I've noticed though, and it's strange, but from personal
experience, and tons of reading (out of body, RV, etc), it seems that
the sub is really literal. You make a small error in how you ask a
question and you get the wrong answer (or the right answer to the wrong
question). It's like - don't you think that your subconscious should
'know' what you are 'thinking' - not just what you're 'asking'?

It 'feels' like it's a lot more disconnected that you would like to
think. Anyone else notice this?

gk


Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 06:03:18 -0800
From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Subject: Re: [VWR] 2nd UT Skeptic target

Shelia Massey wrote:
> If it's not mentioned, it won't be reviewed (TPR) ...if no one
> notices this statement, and everyone simply waits for an overall site
> review, there won't be one no matter how good the sessions are:
> therefore the "Hall of Hits" and "Near Misses" will = 0.

Another little rule that I had overlooked is that you have to get
three hits to be included in the Halls. Since three targets haven't
been completed yet, no one should be there yet, no matter how well
viewers may have done.
- --

Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
ICQ Pager 6797092


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:08:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Lee Bybee <elb17@columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [VWR] List Business

Hey kids!

Howdy (and how-do?). I have a question that I'm just dying for ridicule
and nasty comments on. So, naturally, I came here ('Kidding. ...Well,
except for Gene.).
Anyhoo. So, I still suck. But it's a CONSISTENT sucking which is much
better than some others who shall remain nameless (P.J.) who have a nice
hit once in awhile then try to out-grandiose ME in failure. HAH!
It has to do with decoding the ideogram: I seem to get some
pertinent information (afterward, of course) from them that does not
surface in the sketches. Here's an example I have from a session I did
yesterday: The photo is of a squid swimming in black/night water (Please
insert your own joke here in regard to the irony of me getting a squid
for a target and what resemblance I may have to said squid and how said
squid may find insult in such a comparison. Yeah, heh heh. My wife
hasn't stopped laughing yet, so get in line.)
The information gleaned from my session included movement, cold,
black and various other squid-y things. The problem - I missed the squid!
There was a big hole in the sketch where squidy should have gone.
Instead, in my sketch, I hit movement, cold, black water - yep.
Squid - nope. Looking at the ideogram afterward, there was clearly a
recognizeable symbol for lifeforms. In almost every one, but I missed it.
So here's the question: (finally) Is it allright to go back to the
ideogram and add information to a sketch/analysis/both (that isn't
allready there) without risking AOL?

What do you think?

Eric - KING! H.B.R.V.C.


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:42:42 -1000
From: Yaana Allen <yaana@aloha.net>
Subject: [VWR] Hawai'i Remote Viewers' Guild Web Site

HI All,

Well we are still under construction but at least the site
is up, and there are interesting things to see. We will be
adding and improving steadly but at least we are now
officially up and running.

For those of you in Hawaii just a reminder:
On Saturday May 2nd at 6:00pm the Hawai'i Remote Viewers'
Guild will present a public lecture/demonstration of Remote
Viewing for the purposes of qualifying the final 14 students.

This is very possibly the last beginning class HRVG will teach
but definitely the last class for 1998. There after we will be
focusing on advanced training.

1236 Kaumualii St. Honolulu, Hawaii May 2 6:00 pm

"ONLY" those attending the lecture can be considered for one
of the 14 open student slots. Again this very possibly may
be the last class we teach.

The purpose of the Guild was to train enough viewers to be
able to work targets as a group. Fees for the class are
nominal, $25 per month to cover the cost of room rent, class
supplies. This class will be held sunday afternoons from 2
to 5 pm for a minimum of 6 months.

For more information contact me.

Aloha Yaana

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