Remote Viewing

Joseph W. McMoneagle

Art Bell Coast to Coast AM Radio Show
Tuesday/Wednesday, March 25-26, 11pm-4am PT

Featured Guests:
Lyn Buchanan, Joe McMoneagle, and Paul Smith

Transcript File 7 of Total 8

Transcribed by PJ Gaenir,

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Transcriber notes: 1) Items in {brackets} are transcriber notes, and/or guesses about a word that is not fully decipherable. 2) This is not verbatim. The 'ums and ahs' were too extensive, so I simply typed out what everybody 'ended up' saying. Otherwise I believe this document is complete.


ART = Art Bell.
LYN = Lyn Buchanan.
JOE = Joe McMoneagle.
PAUL = Paul Smith.
CALL = A caller.

File 7 of 8 in this series.

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ART Thank you ma'am. Wild Card line, you're on the air with Lyn Buchanan, hello.

CALL Oh hello! Mr. Buchanan. {ART: Where are you?} Oh yeah, I'm Kate and I'm in suburban Chicago. {ART: Hi Kate.} Hi, um, I'd like to ask Mr. Buchanan if remote viewing has any application to solving problems such as a cure for cancer or an alternative to say, fossil fuel, or does it have to always revolve around an event or person?

LYN No, in fact, Ed has done quite a bit of work in future technologies, and that is, going to a future time, doing a remote viewing session on the solution to some present day problem, and bringing back some information. I have also done some freelance for Psi-Tech -- years ago -- in fact, we did several of these future technology type sessions, extremely interesting.

CALL Yeah, they have to go deal with things that people did though, right? I mean you can't just like go right into the problem, the mathematical problem, or have you tried that?

LYN Ah, no, I haven't. I think --

CALL Or the mechanical, the mechanics of it rather than going and watching say, if you go the future say, 300 years from now, and just watch a guy do something, that would be one thing.

LYN Well, I said no, but in actual fact I think the answer is yes, because there was one project that I worked for a Canadian company that was dealing with alternative fuels -- there were several Viewers who worked this by the way -- and we actually went to the molecular level, on the sessions that the company kept sending me, went into the molecular level to actually see what was going on, and to solve the problem.

CALL So you can do that for cancer research too, probably.

LYN I don't see why not.

CALL Hmmn. OK. Well thanks a lot Art, great show as usual.

ART Thank you -- ooh, that's absolutely remarkable. You could in other words remote view some point in the future where some scientist found the cure for cancer. But you know, when you're doing that, aren't you then getting into this whole "time" problem?

LYN {laughs} Yes, and this is sort of a thing that as far as I've been able to tell, Viewers almost instinctively avoid, is a thing called time loops {ART: Yeah.}, and it's almost, like I say, an instinctive thing to avoid, however, handled properly it's very useful.

ART Yeah but it's also, in a strange sort of way, a theft of intellectual property.

LYN Oh sure.

ART God, the problems that you guys must deal with, with some of this, particularly looking into the future, is just absolutely incredible. East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Lyn Buchanan, hello.

CALL Yeah, this is JJ from Austin. {ART: Texas. Yes sir.} {LYN: God's country.} Yeah. I first of all wanted to say something to one of our favorite listeners. Yesterday our Perfect 10 called in and she said that she wasn't sure that we want to travel back in time because she was a woman. And I think if she went back to ancient native America, or ancient Celtics, or ancient Africa, ancient tribal types of any sort throughout the world, she's be surprised.

ART Well... since you haven't been there and done that, I don't know you can say that JJ. What is your question?

CALL My question is about time travel itself. Has any remote viewing been done on the existence of time travel?

ART That's a good question. Alright -- remote viewing, in its own way, IS time travel, sort of --

LYN Yes it is. One of the things that's been pretty well shown is that beginning remote viewing students view their feedback instead of the actual target. In fact, part of the training along the way is to wean them of the convenience of feedback, and make them start going to the target site. If you're Viewing your feedback, then basically what you're doing is Viewing 30 minutes into the future.

ART Is it possible through remote viewing, or has anybody Viewed whether physical time travel itself is possible, I think that's what his question probably was.

LYN I think that some people have Viewed it, I know I've heard talk about it from some of the other Viewers, I don't know exactly what the findings were. It was things I heard in passing, you know, just conversations around the office and so forth. But I have never Viewed that particular aspect. As far as I'm concerned, if you can go into the future mentally, and experience everything that's there, do you really need to go in physically? {ART: That's a good question.} {indecipherable} advantages to it.

ART Alright. West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Lyn Buchanan, good morning.

CALL Yes, good morning Art, this is Pat from Burbank California. {ART: Yes Pat.} I'm not as well spoken as that caller was last half hour, that give you and Lyn a compliment, but I feel the same and I'd like to say that to you. {ART: Thank you.} Lyn I have two short but important questions. I foresee in the future a jury system of remote viewers telling us the truth. {ART: Oh boy.} And, what's your response to how soon that might come about?

LYN Well I, knowing the real accuracy rate and so forth of remote viewers at this point, I would say that sort of scares me, Viewers are human, and the whole idea of the "100% accuracy" is a total fallacy.

CALL Even if we had safeguards of a higher echelon to oversee?

LYN No. Now under safeguards and such as that, I wouldn't feel so shaky about it, but if you were sending somebody to prison or to an electric chair, based on the decision of remote viewers, I don't think I would keep my citizenship that much longer.

CALL How about that block, that in the year 2012, could that have something to do with some sort of time loop, or time problem that we cause by letting out this technology? {ART: Hmmn!}

LYN I don't think so... now, to be fair about this, I have not viewed beyond this, simply because I haven't been tasked with it. That's one of the things that is in my growing stack of fun targets to do for myself.

CALL Have you ever found out what the whole business of -- this is the important last question -- what the important reason for the cosmos becoming conscious of itself and spreading out and fertilizing the whole universe and galaxies and planets -- is there any kind of like final thing where once we get to a certain point we can all just get along and be happy and have a wonderful existence, I mean what is the final thing?

LYN I would certainly hope so. I know that when done properly, when done sanely, the remote viewing does change people in very positive ways. And I believe very much in the collective consciousness. As a result, I believe that that part of us which does the remote viewing tends not to want to hurt itself.

CALL That brings me to a question, has anybody remote viewed the Big Bang?

ART {laughs} Now there's a good question alright, the big bang.

LYN I {'would'?} be surprised if someone hasn't. I haven't personally.

ART My question would be, has anybody remote viewed a second or two prior to it. {laughs}

LYN {laughs} Hey, I've got something else to add to my stack here.

ART I think that would be a biggie. Wild Card line, you're on the air with Lyn Buchanan, good morning.

CALL Yes, hello Lyn. {LYN: Hi.} {ART: Where are you sir?} I'm {indecipherable} I'm a woman and I'm in Las Vegas. {ART: Oh I'm sorry. Las Vegas. Alright.} Have you ever while remote viewing "appeared" where you were viewing? I've had this happen to me three times.

LYN You mean so that others can see you there? {CALL: Yeah.} Not that I know of, but then, there is a thing which my students call "Perfect Site Immersion," or PSI, which Ingo had as terminology, "Bi-Location." And that is where you buy so completely into the senses, the impressions coming from your subconscious, that it's exactly as though you were there. You feel the wind on your face, you feel the sun, you touch things and you get the senses. Now whether someone else can see you or not, I don't know. Now I know that the times that is happened to me, no one at the site has reacted to my being there, and so I would suspect that --

ART Have you ever attempted to manifest?

LYN No I haven't. No, it's not the nature of someone who is sent to a site to collect information to want to be seen.

ART I understand. Do you think that remote viewing has anywhere near reached its -- that we know, let me rephrase that, that we know as much as we can ultimately know about what can be done with remote viewing?

LYN Absolutely not. We are in kindergarten here. {ART: Kindergarten.} You bet. The future of remote viewing, if it's carried on sanely, so that it doesn't become a voodoo type thing to be shunned by everyone, and if it's carried on scientifically, will, I mean will open up so many more possibilities. And as we grow mentally, the potential for growth will expand.

ART You know, I would like to believe that when Ed Dames' video tapes get into the hands of so many people out there, that great good will come of it.

LYN I do too.

ART I really would like to believe that will occur. But when I look at today's society and what's going on...

LYN It's scary.

ART I don't know Lyn. Hold on Lyn we'll be right back to you. My guest is Lyn Buchanan, and this is probably the definitive program on remote viewing that I suspect has been done. He'll be back next hour.


ART Once again here I am, good morning everybody, my guest is Lyn Buchanan. In the last hours, Joe McMoneagle and Paul Smith were here. All three involved in project STAR GATE, the military's remote viewing project.


ART Now to Lyn Buchanan, it is your hour with him, whatever questions you might have, come now. Lyn let me ask you one, I've got a whole pile of faxes here, "Please ask Lyn if remote viewing could help a person find their soul mate, or perfect mate in life, and if so, how would that be done?"

LYN The answer is yes, however, let me say that that type of work is sometimes achieved much more easily by some other disciplines. {Art laughs} I've heard it said that remote viewing --

ART You're not talking about bar-hopping right?

LYN {laughs} Oh no. As far as the disciplines for parapsychology. If you're trying to learn remote viewing in order to get in touch with the universe or your higher self, it's sort of like joining the Marines to learn how to fold your clothes. It's extremely disciplined, and there are easier and sometimes even quicker ways to do it.

ART Alright, and I want to tell everybody that once again on my web site,, there are now a multitude in the guest area, a multitude of links to the various remote viewing sites that have been mentioned tonight. So back now to the phone and the First Time Caller line:

ART OK, Aaron, that's the only sin we have on the show generally, not to give your last name. So let's begin all over again, your name is Aaron? {CALL: Yup.} And you're calling from where? {Vancouver B.C.} Alright. Go ahead.

CALL OK, I was wondering, during your research in the STAR GATE program, did you follow the work being done by Charles Honorton in the Ganzfeld experiments?

LYN The Ganzfeld experiments, we had read about them, they didn't directly apply to us since we weren't a research side. I think the people out at SRI would probably know a whole lot more about it, and more of the inside work. We were mainly tasked with the use of whatever worked to collect information. Now we tried some Ganzfeld work, and it worked about the same as the ERV, extended remote viewing that we were doing, it required a lot more equipment, and so basically we just went back to the ERV.

CALL OK, um, Ray Hyman, he was on the panel, the evaluation panel? {LYN: Right, uh huh?} What are your thoughts on his conclusion?

LYN {laughs} Well his conclusion, the end conclusion, was that yes, this shows that there is something to remote viewing, seemingly, however, we don't have all of the potentials for shooting it down, and so even though we can't shoot it down right now, we're just gonna wait until the time comes when we _can_ shoot it down before we make a decision. And this to me is not a valid conclusion. The conclusion he came to was basically that he admitted that the statistics show that there is value to the remote viewing, that there is an actual phenomenon going on, but --

ART Interesting reaction.

LYN Yeah, but let's not decide right now until we can find a way to shoot it down.

ART {laughs} From the James Randi school.

LYN Right. {laughs}

ART Alright, here's another fax, "Art, I've heard cases where remote viewers located military targets during the gulf war. Can Lyn enlighten us on this subject, or is it simply too sensitive?"

LYN There are many aspects of it that are very sensitive. There are many aspects of it that generally get talked about, with, you know, because the feeling is that it's not too sensitive at all... I think what the question is, is could I give an example. {ART: Alright. Can you?} Yes. I have no feedback on this one, because you know, I was the Viewer, and this is one we wouldn't get feedback on. I did one session where right in the middle of the session, what's called a Stage 7 came in, and basically my subconscious turned and addressed me and said, "You're not gonna believe what's coming next." {ART: Really! Like a preview!} Yeah. {ART: A teaser.} And so I went ahead and did the session, and what came next was something I didn't believe; that is that Saddam Hussein had some way gotten ahold of an American missile, was waiting for the high holy days of Ramadan at which time he was going to fire it into the holy of holies, in order to start a jihad, and since the other rulers would be dead, he could naturally take over. {ART: Wow.} I still find it hard to believe. Of course I turned it in. What was done with it, I don't know.

ART I imagine that must have been a little frustrating. Did the remote viewing team ever get feedback about the information, the intel they gave, did anybody ever come back to you guys and say "Hey, congratulations," you know, "we found those gas canisters and you guys really hit right on the head," did you ever get any of that?

LYN Oh yeah. We got quite a bit of that from different customers; other customers of course, there were times when we would be tasked with targets and the way we would know that we had success was, the group that tasked us would come in and confiscate our records and say we didn't have the clearance to see 'em. {they both laugh} So, you know, that was our feedback.

ART I'll bet those guys worried about you. In other words, they could come in, they could confiscate your records, but if you really wanted to know, I mean, they of all people knew that you had a certain level of effectiveness, you probably scared the hell out of 'em!

LYN This is what Paul was saying earlier, one of the reactions we met with other units was sort of fear, simply because we could... see into some of the inner workings and such.

ART Alright. Back to the many waiting phones. Wild Card line, you're on the air with Lyn Buchanan, hi.

CALL Howdy. I'm {indecipherable} from California. Just as a footnote, I recall our government doing considerable research on the use of mind-altering substances in the 50's which they also abandoned at some point {ART: Oh yes.}, now considered somewhat threatening, or for some reason, pretty penalizable, and but -- aside from that, would you not think, say that some people are more adept at becoming quality Viewers, and that at certain times it seems to function better than perhaps at others?

ART Well alright, let's narrow that down to the first part of your question: Our government _indeed_ experimented with mind altering substances; were there ever -- or if you can't answer this, and I'd rather have the answer that you can answer it -- but were there ever attempts that you were aware to enhance the ability of a remote viewer with some sort of psychedelic chemical?

LYN I think that some experiments were tried with a medical project that was attempted on, you know, to see what happens physiologically with remote viewers. As far as I know, the SRI project and I'm absolutely certain the Fort Meade operational group, never did that. The feeling was, and I'm very firm about this, that anything you do to dull your mind is going to dull your results. And {they both talk; indecipherable}

ART Yes sir, but some would contend Lyn that not all drugs dull the mind. Some of them alter its state to a degree. Certainly there are many drugs that dull the mind or fuzz the mind, but there are some drugs that some would argue "alter" your state, and don't so much fuzz it up but alter it, and so I can see that that would certainly be one area they would want to know about.

LYN Yes and I think the, like I say I think the medical experiments did some of this, but I know that we didn't, I know that my own preference is, I want to remote view with it being me that does it {ART: I hear you.}, I am very opposed to drugs, and especially to anyone, you know, doing drugs while remote viewing, I just wouldn't trust the results.

ART Alright. East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Lyn Buchanan, where are you please?

CALL This is Nancy from northwest Indiana. {ART: Northwest Indiana, alright.} OK, fundamentalist religions view mental telepathy and parapsychology as work of the devil {ART: That's right.} and you earlier mentioned positive feelings of Christ and the great prophets. So on the opposite side of the coin, have you experienced evil forces, and how might that be influencing people's lives today?

ART Oh! Good one. Sure, if -- we had talked about the presence of Jesus, and that was fascinating -- what about the opposite, do you know of anybody, have you or -- has anybody ever run into what we would think of or know of as 'the devil'?

LYN Absolutely. {ART: Oh?} There have been times, I know in my viewing, when there has been just a presence of evil, but generally, the evil that I've found has been in the people we were tasked with. The rogues gallery of our targets was pretty severe.

ART Did that get really tiresome?

LYN Extremely. One of the problems here is that as you access someone's mind, the way to enhance that access is to start agreeing with them and sort of lose your own personality in it. At the end of the session, you really have to detoxify, or else you wind up taking Idi Amin home with you. {ART: Yeah.} And -- now there's one evil dude.

ART How do you learn to let it go? I was a 911 dispatcher for Monterey County for a year, and it damn near killed me. {LYN: Oh yeah.} I actually had to leave because I kept taking my job home with me. {LYN: Yeah.} How do you not take Idi Amin home with you?

LYN There is a process of sitting there and going over everything you found in the session and saying, you know, is that me or him? Is it real or is it memorex? And just one by one, sitting there and taking every impression and working it out to get yourself back. This is one of the reasons why even things like what could be called deep or even shallow 'mind probes' is one thing that I do not encourage my students to do, simply because you can get sucked in to someone else's personality. And if you're not a good, advanced Viewer, who's very experienced, don't do it.

ART So again, there are things you will not teach people.

LYN Oh absolutely.

ART Alright. West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Lyn Buchanan. Hello.

CALL Ah, how you doin' Art, again, this is Dell, thanks a lot for taking the phone call. {ART: Sure. Where are you?} I'm in Paso Robles California, KPRL. Question there Mr. Buchanan. {LYN: Yes.} First of all, are we evolving and learning to use our grey matter in our upper part of our brains now, are we actually learning how to learn to use the part that they don't understand, that's being utilized -- from what I gather, the grey matter in the front of your mind is the part that they have no knowledge of what it does -- are we starting to evolve to use this now?

ART Or, I will add, are we devolving? I've wondered about that.

LYN I don't think we're devolving. Up until the beginning of this year, I would have answered the question with, "I don't know but I hope so." An event happened at the beginning of this year... I had always been adamantly against group teaching, because this is such an individualized thing, but I started, I taught one group class, mainly to get people to shut up, you know, trying to get me to teach it, I just wanted to prove that it wouldn't work. And the response of the students, they picked up on this so quickly, one of my previous students was there in the class, you know, just to come and talk about his experiences, and at the end of the two days of group training, he came up to me and he said, 'What's happening here? It took me seven months to get to this point.' I think, I believe -- well, I believe in the Sheldrake effect, that the more people who learn to do this, the easier it gets to do it. {ART: Hmmn.} And --

ART That implies some sort of mass consciousness, doesn't it?

LYN That's right. And the CRV process, I mean, ties right straight into that.

ART Alright Lyn hold tight we're at the bottom of the hour, we'll be right back and pick up on that point, I'm Art Bell and this is CBC.


ART It is. Top of the morning everybody, it's great to be here, Lyn Buchanan is my guest, remote viewing is the topic, and it is fascinating. So many targets, so little time.


ART When I said a moment ago, so many targets, so little time, I bet Lyn would agree, huh?

LYN That's true, absolutely. {both laugh}

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