Remote Viewing

Joseph W. McMoneagle

The End of the Line / Sightings on the Radio
with Jeff Rense

Sunday, March 2nd, 1997 8:00pm - 11:00pm Pacific Time

Featured Guests
Dr. Edwin C. May and Joseph W. McMoneagle

Transcript File 6 of Total 7

Transcribed by PJ Gaenir,

Transcribed from audio cassette which was courtesy of Jeff Rense.

This is a "general" transcript. It does not include every syllable.

File 6 of 7 in this series.

Continued from previous file.

RENSE: How interesting. Joe, what about that? Were you guys used to remote view the pending collapse of the Soviet Union? Any aspects of the Berlin Wall coming down and so forth?

MCMONEAGLE: No, in fact, we were never targeted against anything that -- that national I guess -- most of what we were targeted against were the nuts and bolts types of intelligence requirements, where you're looking for say a listening device in a room, or that sort of thing.

RENSE: Were you able to find those pretty well, to debug rooms at distance?

MCMONEAGLE: It's not difficult. In fact, not only can you use remote viewing for doing that, you can also give a pretty good description of where the people are sitting that are listening to those devices.

RENSE: {laughs} Oh! How very interesting -- yeah. Gloria in West Palm Beach has been patiently waiting, it's your turn Gloria, hi, how are you?

CALLER: I wanted to ask, and I want to thank you for such valuable information tonight as every Sunday night... a friend of mine has already ordered the remote viewing course, that some of us were going to share the expense, however, it's been about a month and it wasn't going to be shipped until March or something, so you know, it was way in advance that she ordered it, and I don't recall if it was Aames or Brown, I think it was Aames for some reason, of course I was familiar with Courtney Brown much more so, so I forgot the other name --

RENSE: Dames with a "D."

CALLER: Oh Dames, okay. And I'm assuming after tonight, listening to y'all tonight, it rang a bell all of the sudden that that's who it was, but anyway, it's only $250 which used to be $3000 we were told, and he's moving to some other part of this world, you know, out of this country, so he's going to sell all of his technology. If it's only $250 for the course that used to be $3000, do you think it is worth the $250, rather than the $3000 that y'all are already saying is just outrageous. Would there be enough that we could -- because all of us have psychic abilities anyway, who are wanting to do this, well most of us, somewhat psychic abilities, and a few of us --

MAY: Well my advice would be, save yourself $250, go spend -- I don't know how much your book costs Joe, but I'd go buy McMoneagle's book, and tune into our web site, and for essentially free you can get the same information.

CALLER: Oh really? About the techniques to use?

MAY: Yes.

MCMONEAGLE: I would like to add something to this. One of the things that you have to understand is that what I've essentially observed over the 19 years I've been doing this, is that the vast proportion of human life on the face of the planet probably possesses some psychic ability, and it certainly occurs spontaneously. But the psychic ability is generally, it comes across very much as a talent that we're born with. It would be very much like innate music ability or athletic ability. You wouldn't expect to take someone just because they like to run, and expect them to compete within say an Olympics within five years. Likewise, there are a lot of people who enjoy music very very much, but are incapable of playing an instrument. Remote viewing's very much like that; the technology is easily transferred. The ability is extremely difficult to polish. And most of the training mechanisms address only the rudimentary or the gestaltic portion of remote viewing, they don't address the higher order analysis functioning that goes on, that's generally talent- dependent.

CALLER: Yes, thanks a lot, I think we will just get your book, and it's terrific that you've written one that's so knowledgeable, you know, for the rest of us.

RENSE: I'll give you the web address again as well. The book is called MIND TREK, published in 1993 originally, by Hampton Roads Publishing, it's going to be reissued in about a month, and it'll be in what Joe, most bookstores by then?

[Transcriber note: You can find information about Mr. McMoneagle's book MIND TREK here.]

MCMONEAGLE: Yes, it should be in distribution within 3 1/2 - 4 weeks.

CALLER: Now, as far as astral projection and bilocation and stuff like that, this is much more of a technological method, rather than a spiritual flight type of thing?

MCMONEAGLE: What actually differentiates remote viewing from astral projection or any other psychic method is the fact that remote viewing is always done within a very specifically outlined and unusual protocol, that's not usual to other types of psychic functioning. That's what differentiates it.

RENSE: And the web address --

MAY: Can I interrupt here for a minute, make it a little easier for those searching for the web site? Rather than -- we can certainly give you the long complicated address -- but one way to do this is to log on to the world wide web, and use any one of the search engines there that will help you find / locate things, and search for my name, Edwin C. May, and our home page for the laboratory will come up, and it will tell you all the details of how to conduct an experiment.

[Transcriber note: Again, the web address for the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory is]

RENSE: Wow, okay, so I guess, maybe the lesson here is, don't spend $250 for a Ouija board, or something.

CALLER: {laughs} Great, great, well they'll be glad to hear that then.

MAY: {laughs... indecipherable}

CALLER: Thanks so much, and good luck to all of you.

RENSE: That's interesting, fire sale prices guys, $3000 marked down to $250?

MAY: Yeah really. Ed Dames must be falling on hard times here.

RENSE: I don't know... alright, we're gonna take a break here and come back, the phone number again 1-800-298-8255. I'm Jeff Rense, this is the End of the Line and we'll be right back.


RENSE: Alright gentlemen, let's move on to the phones. Bob, as I see by my notes, Idaho Falls Idaho. Hello Bob, you're on the air.

CALLER: Thanks for taking my call. I was wondering, have these guys done much forward viewing I guess you would call it, with some of the earth changes we might be experiencing, political changes, stuff like that, in the future for the United States, have they done much of that?

MCMONEAGLE: One of the things that I've been working on as a follow-on book to Mind Trek is, I've been trying to collect remote viewings dealing with the future. One of the things that's apparent about the future is that we will all be here in 1000 years. One of the other things apparent about the future is that there will be changes certainly in the climate. I don't foresee any megalithic changes, you know like instantaneous type changes, but I do see some rather varying degrees of the average temperatures and perhaps water levels.

CALLER: What about the more immediate future, like the next 5-10 years? Can you narrow that down a little bit better? Thanks for taking my call.

MCMONEAGLE: The next five to ten years, I don't foresee anything other than perhaps a marked increase, and by marked increase I mean probably a 5-8% increase in the severity of storms, but this is probably going to be a direct result of half degree or quarter degree change in temperature across the earth.

RENSE: Ed let me ask you a question. With regard to seeing in the future, is this a taboo area?

MAY: Well, one thing nice about being in science is, as long as you can collect data under good protocols there isn't such a thing as a taboo area.

RENSE: How about with respect to national security, that was my point, this is a very interesting area that Joe was opening up here, I mean are you guys, let's call it like it is, is this a real hot ticket item, looking into the future? I gotta think it is.

MAY: Well, what the data show in the laboratory is that doing, looking into the future, there's a name for it these days called "Precognition", it's no more or no less accurate or reliable as regular remote viewing is. And so, it suffers both from the successes and the failures that you would expect from just normal remote viewing. Clearly, forecasting the future could be very helpful, even if you're only right statistically, if you could, suppose you're searching for a kidnap victim and they're moving them around as Joe described in the Iran hostage situation, wouldn't it be nice to sort of know where they're gonna put the hostage next? Even if you're only right 10% of the time, getting there in advance could save that hostage's life.

RENSE: Joe did much of your remote viewing involve trying to clear ahead, at various targeted objects and subjects?

MCMONEAGLE: Well, of course the most valuable use for that would be when you're trying to use other collection methods and you need a date/time, and perhaps a direction in which to point an overhead collection platform or something. Quite a bit of that was done, and it worked about as well as it normally works in normal remote viewing. There is a unique twist that occurs with future viewing however, it's sort of a technical problem. If you can imagine, if we were living in the year say, 1895, and we were to target the lab where the first pump laser was built and tested, we may get a 100% perfect description of that pump laser, but we will have absolutely no understanding of the concept on how or why it works. So even having the 100% correct information won't be of any benefit to us.

RENSE: Well I would suggest that being able, as you are Joe, to acquire a target 55-60% of the time, looking into the future would be pretty damned interesting.

MAY: {laughs}

MCMONEAGLE: Well in fact I did spend, just to underscore how difficult missing people is --

RENSE: If I could ask you kindly to wait, we have to break, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but we will continue with this in just about three minutes with Joe and Ed, what a subject, what an interesting program. We'll be right back.


RENSE: Alright we're back with Joe McMoneagle, who was about to give an answer here, Joe please continue.

MCMONEAGLE: In the case of missing individuals, one of the more interesting ones that I did work on for a period of almost three and a half years was a missing child. I did it for a prosecuting attorney in one of my neighboring states here. We were successful in a three and a half year period of locating where that child had been moved to twice, but we were always a few weeks behind; that person that took the child would always pack and move. And in an attempt to get ahead of that person, we decided to do a precognitive targeting of who he might contact next. In that case, I gave a description, and of course the police had access to descriptions of his friends and whatnot, and he did in fact call the person that I described a number of days later, and we were able to locate the child in a South American country.

RENSE: Wow. So much to talk about. Tom is on the phone, been waiting patiently from Panama City Florida, go ahead Tom, it's your turn.

CALLER: Yes, good evening gentlemen. I would like some more information, and would like to know if it's in your book, on this body transportation, or the simulation of flight? I believe I experienced that a number of times, not regularly, but probably once a month.

RENSE: What are you talking about exactly Tom, I'm not following you?

CALLER: It seems like you come out of your body --

RENSE: Oh out of body experience or astral projection, yeah, go ahead Joe, comment on that, we touched on that earlier.

MCMONEAGLE: I do touch on that somewhat in my book. I had a near death experience in 1970 while overseas, and as a result I started experiencing that myself in a spontaneous way, and to date I still have those spontaneously. I guess the comment that I would make is that as long as it's not creating some undue fear or apprehension, that I would pursue it, I'd see where I could go with it.

CALLER: Sometimes it's not real pleasant, when it occurs in the home it's not real pleasant, but if I get outside it's very pleasant, it's very unusual and I was just wondering if your book touches on that in any detail.

MCMONEAGLE: I don't touch on it in the sense that I instruct people on how to do that or anything. But I do talk about it and compare it to other forms of paranormal occurrences.

CALLER: Could you recommend any other, I know, I am gonna get your book, but could you recommend another?

MCMONEAGLE: Yes, there's a really good book that was written some time ago by a man named Robert Monroe, and it's called "Journeys Out of the Body," a classic in the field, yes.

CALLER: Thank you sir. [Joe: Uh huh.]

RENSE: Thank you Tom for the call. Joe how much of your work -- and again you indicated earlier that we can only discuss really about 1% of your remote viewing as being outside the bounds of national security -- how much of that work if any was involved with you looking into the question of extraterrestrial intelligence?

MCMONEAGLE: Absolutely none. {laughs} I actually did no targeting of extraterrestrials or craft or anything of the sort while I was involved with the project. I did do, on one occasion I did do a series of remote viewings which are listed in my book, I did them for someone from NASA, where I was asked to target specific coordinates, and I was not told that the coordinates were on the face of Mars. And the descriptions I gave were fairly accurate with regard to matching the actual location that the coordinates were designating on the face of Mars.

RENSE: Did you happen to draw a face by any chance?

MCMONEAGLE: No, that was not one of the targets. The targets were actually specifically selected so that I would not know that I was on the face of Mars. Part of the fallout from that, and I talk about this in the book, is a perception of another race of people, but I caution the reader that just because that occurred in conjunction with remote viewing doesn't guarantee that it's true. Of course, the only way to prove that would be to go to Mars and you know, collect the information.

MAY: I have a suggestion of a few people I'd like to go on that one way mission actually, but maybe they should be nameless. {group laughter}

RENSE: Alright let's go back to the phones, Dee is on the line from Grand Rapids Michigan, welcome aboard Dee.

CALLER: Yes thanks fellas for your broadcast. I just tuned in to hear what was going on and I heard the guest mention that he planned to be, or that there would be people here 1000 years from now. But I wanted to recommend to you the one book in all the world which is the most wonderful book and that's the King James version of the bible -- now you remember Noah preached for 120 years that the flood was going to come and only 7 members of his family believed it, but we all know that the flood did come, but it says in there that in such an hour you think not the son of man is going to come and the Lord did not tell the time, but he said to be watching and to be ready and it says in there he's gonna come back in the twinkling of an eye and the computers say that that is 11/100ths of a second and then any indecision is a "no" decision and you'd be --

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