Remote Viewing

Joseph W. McMoneagle

The End of the Line / Sightings on the Radio
with Jeff Rense

Sunday, March 2nd, 1997 8:00pm - 11:00pm Pacific Time

Featured Guests
Dr. Edwin C. May and Joseph W. McMoneagle

Transcript File 7 of Total 7

Transcribed by PJ Gaenir,

Transcribed from audio cassette which was courtesy of Jeff Rense.

"The End of the Line" is now known as "Sightings on the Radio"

This is a "general" transcript. It does not include every syllable.

File 7 of 7 in this series.

Continued from previous file.

RENSE: Let me ask -- Dee hang on a sec -- let me ask a question, a larger question before we get too far afield -- you brought up a very good point -- how does Christianity and the bible and religion and spirituality play into all this Joe and Ed, this is a very big issue.

MAY: An important issue. Go ahead Joe.

MCMONEAGLE: Actually, what happens in particular with a remote viewer as they get more and more involved in this is, if they weren't spiritual when they started, they become spiritual in the process. One of the reasons why that occurs is there is a huge leap of, shall we say, philosophic understanding, and there's a lot more importance recognized with regard to how we relate to each other as individuals, and how we respect one another's religions. I don't actually claim a very specific religion, but I do find that I can be a lot more open and a lot more supportive of probably most of the religions that I've come in contact with now as a result.

MAY: Jeff, looking at this in sort of a complimentary fashion to what Joe just said but from a scientific point of view, what's particularly critical about research in parapsychology and psychic phenomena is that for the very very first time in the course of human history, we're able to address questions of spirituality and religion in scientifically meaningful ways. We've never had an opportunity to do that. But keep in mind that's kind of a double edged sword. If you're starting to ask questions about the existence of God, and be able to test those questions in the laboratory using remote viewing or other kinds of techniques, you had better be prepared for the answer, you might not like it. And let me give you just a one sentence quote from the Dalai Lama, the 14th Dalai Lama who's the spiritual leader of the Tibetan Buddhists, you may know of him of course. The 14th Dalai Lama has stated many times that if science can disprove a Buddhist doctrine, such as rebirth for instance, than the doctrine should be put aside. Modern science, says the Dalai Lama, and Buddhism cannot contradict, because Buddhism is based on reality. That's a quote from the Dalai Lama. So if this spiritual leader can feel comfortable with his religious beliefs and the flow of science, I think there's hope for all of us.

RENSE: Another interesting comment Ed, thank you. We're about ready to take a break. Let's leave you at the break here with this message: "Sooner or later everyone stumbles across the truth. Unfortunately, most pick themselves up and continue on as if nothing happened." We'll be right back.


RENSE: OK we're back. What is the government's current disposition, officially, toward you Joe McMoneagle? Are you out?

MCMONEAGLE: Yes, I'm not a member of the government so to speak, I'm a retired Army officer.

RENSE: Well you still have to keep 99% of what you did quiet for the time being.

MCMONEAGLE: Oh absolutely. It's part of my agreement with the government by participating in certain programs, I agree not to talk about them in detail.

RENSE: Are you for hire?

MCMONEAGLE: I have a company, called Intuitive Intelligence Applications, and I do jobs where I think the remote viewing can be of value or be of service.

RENSE: Alright, Intuitive Intelligence Applications Inc., the snailmail address is PO Box 100 Nellysford Virginia 22958 USA. Can we give the number out?

MCMONEAGLE: No, I would prefer they write, because I evaluate each problem --

RENSE: I caught myself on that. OK, if you want to talk to this most, most interesting man, Joe McMoneagle, or Ed May for that matter, we'll give you his address as well. Joe has his own company called Intuitive Intelligence Applications, well named. And I would assume that there is a sliding scale, right Joe?

MCMONEAGLE: Yes there is, it's a very large one. I generally don't do treasure hunting. I take serious inquiries. I do a lot of things for mining companies, and people who are interested in trying to apply it to say, produce an edge in terms of technology, that sort of thing. Ed, you have a comment, I can tell.

MAY: No... I think one of the roles we've had throughout the years is, rather than do dry boring academic research, we've been successful at being funded and actually learned about research primarily because we've developed uses and ways of applying remote viewing. And Joe's company is just one example of that.

RENSE: You know I still have to get back to that most intriguing idea of future viewing. And I just really think that that's an area that merits further discussion on this program at some point in time. Ed did you do much work with that concept in the lab over these last 20 years, future viewing?

MAY: Yes, we've certainly done a lot of that sort of work, other laboratories in the US such as Princeton and other universities have done also a great deal of work. One of the approaches we've had is to use -- because remote viewing is not all that accurate compared to reading a book let's say -- we've used techniques from a science called Information Science, you know, if you have a hard disk on your computer, it isn't 100% accurate, and they use very clever techniques to decrease the error rate, called using information theory. We've done that same sort of thing with remote viewing, and successfully, although not often, won money on the stock market and the horse races, using information theory to enhance the normal probability of future remote viewing.

RENSE: Interesting. All done in the name of science of course.

MAY: Yeah, I haven't won much money out of it, I gotta tell you. We haven't funded our project that way. {laughs}

RENSE: Very interesting. Ed, do you have a written address you want to give out too? If people want to write to you?

MAY: Sure, that would be just fine. The laboratory address is 330 Cowper Street Suite 200 Palo Alto California 94301 USA.

RENSE: And how 'bout your email address if you'd like to give that out?

MAY: That is a very good way to communicate with us. We try our best to answer all emails, although you can imagine we get many. And that is

RENSE: Alright that's simple enough. We are just about out of time, we have one more break here and we'll come back and wrap this thing up. The future of the government's involvement in remote viewing at this point Joe, how would you sum it up in a sentence or two?

MCMONEAGLE: In a sentence or two? They aren't involved. And I don't foresee their involvement in the very near future.

RENSE: Is that said after remote viewing the subject? {group laughter}

MCMONEAGLE: No, that's said having been 20 years in that business and knowing how they think and operate.

RENSE: How interesting. Ed?

MAY: Well I have to agree, I'm sorry to say that's probably the case.

RENSE: Really interesting, and again, people might be listening who didn't hear early on, we did touch on this, but WHY would the government not pursue this?

MAY: Well I don't know, you'll have to ask them. I think you should.

RENSE: There you go. Alright, see the answer is not real crystal clear here. Alright we're gonna take our last break and return in just a couple of minutes with Joe McMoneagle and Ed May.


RENSE: And let's assume that the government really is sort of out of the remote viewing business, and Joe you concur that that appears to the be the issue. Are we to maybe surmise that the government might have come up with something better?

MAY: Oh dear. I think that's a tad of wishful thinking Jeff {sighs}. The government's under a lot of pressure from a number of fronts. The positive side of this is, the world in one sense has become a safer place, in the fall of the Soviet Union, and so we don't have a major adversary, and there aren't a lot of nuclear weapons pointed at us. On the other side of the coin however, it's become a more dangerous place, because [of] the threat of terrorism and the lack of control over weapons of mass destruction and so on. Given that that world situation has changed, given that there's this huge pressure on Congress by our population, voting-public, to slice as much out of the government funding as we possibly can, worthy programs are being set aside from government sponsorship to so-called private sponsorship, even though there may not be any. So there just frankly isn't a lot of research money available for a variety of programs, not the least of which would be remote viewing.

RENSE: A lot of people listening would maybe say, 'What about the black budget money', which is almost limitless in some people's minds, but I guess that's another issue. Joe how 'bout it?

MCMONEAGLE: I think when it comes to the large digits and the black budget, those are going to very high-tech, very costly technology types of developments. In terms of remote viewing, I'd like to add something to what Ed said. One of the greatest potential targets for remote viewing that seem to be in fact more effective targets to operate with remote viewing are nuclear material type targets, and remote viewing could provide a 30% or 35% edge at minimum on locating materials that were stolen or are being moved or have the potential of being used for terrorism. And I think not to address that is almost unconsciounable.

MAY: And those numbers that Joe just told you really come about from lengthy series of experiments, not looking for nuclear weapons, but being blind targeted against research reactors at various universities, which have radioactive material in them, as opposed to piles of bricks, as a control.

RENSE: That's very interesting, so nuclear installations are easier to target and pick up.

MAY: It's not so much the installation per se, because a pile of bricks and a reactor look somewhat similar to each other; it has to do with one of our scientific findings, things that change rapidly are easier to "see" by remote viewing.

RENSE: I understand, as in nuclear reactions, and plutonium and all those other very active elements, how interesting.


RENSE: Alright gentlemen, it has been a remarkable program, Dr. Edwin C. May, I want to thank you for coming back again to try to clear the air, it's been extraordinary. And Joe McMoneagle, we're gonna look for that book coming out very shortly, MIND TREK, and we'll all be wanting to get hold of that, why don't you come back and talk to us maybe in about a month when the book is out, will you do that?

MCMONEAGLE: I certainly will.

RENSE: OK. Thanks Ed!

MAY: You're welcome Jeff, it's been a pleasure as always.

RENSE: Thank you sir. And thank you Joe, very much for your time, we all appreciate it.

MCMONEAGLE: Thank you Jeff.

RENSE: OK, and thanks to all of you... thanks for being with us tonight. Until next time, this is Jeff Rense wishing you all a good night, and good luck.


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This is file 7 of 7 in a series

"The End of the Line" is now known as "Sightings on the Radio"

Transcribed by PJ Gaenir,
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