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This is an archive file of the public Viewer [VWR] email list. This list is sponsored by the private Viewer Forum, hosted by Paradigm Systems and Design, and owned and operated by PJ Gaenir. It is dedicated to discussion of the practical aspects, theories and experience of formal psychic methodologies such as Controlled Remote Viewing, and independent efforts by the public interested in working under the formal RV protocol (the set of rules which define "remote viewing" as the term was coined in a science lab). You can find details, rules, and a form for joining the email group here. The list is moderated during operation and archiving. I remove last names and detail locations of contributors (within the archives) for privacy, and signatures for space conservation. I have added notes marking the posts from former U.S. intelligence remote viewers. Archiving of posts is done manually and may not include all posts.

This is the thirty-seventh archive.

October 1997

>A question for the RV ers who did operational targets .... >..I'd like to know if there were any casualties did any of the >remote viewers become mentally unstable (in the long or short term) due to >'significant protocol violations'.. and /or.. operational targets which >may have been badly defined ?

Not :-]

Seriously, none of us who worked the mission throughout all those years came away unchanged. Was it for the worse or better? Depended with each individual. Mainly, it would be more accurate to say that what we were on the surface, we became less of and what we really were down deep, we became more of. You can't become more of a whole person without some changes becoming evident. One example I give in the training agreement is:

In the most extreme example, let's say you are a hardened alcoholic, and in learning to "know thyself", you no longer need the alcohol. You change for the better. However, your spouse no longer has the drinking partner he/she married. The resulting actions of the spouse finding a new drinking partner, and the resulting divorce should not be considered a >>direct<< result of learning CRV.

I like Rudy's choice of the word "unstable", rather than "crazy" or "abnormal". Do CRVers become abnormal? Of course. They are not normal people any longer. Do they become crazy? As long as you don't equate "crazy" with "abnormal", then you are left with only one explanation: as you add your other half to your makeup, whatever it is, you tend to become.

PJ's explanation was a good one, that those people in the unit who were "crazy" to start with tended to become moreso. That is one reason why there was such stress all along on proper selection. Up until a couple of years after I joined the unit, all candidates were given batteries of psychological tests before even being considered for the project. Later, once the political push was on to end the unit, some of those selection criteria were relaxed, and perhaps a couple of people did get in who might better have been left out.

For the most part, though, selection of personnel was kept to very stable people, and those people appear to have become more stable as their psyches grew. The exceptions to the selection process? Well......


[Archive Note: Lyn Buchanan, former U.S. Intell RV]

>>> Not :-]

::munches on her Chef Boyardee Spaghetti and winces::

Ok.. Umm.. another question along those lines:

How many Viewers experienced problems with their sleeping patterns or habits? Anyone have problems with waking up?? If so, how did you/ they stop the dreams long enough to come out of it and wake up? I have been having a problem wherein I fall asleep and it is almost impossible for me to wake up., and all the while I am having extremely vivid or precognitive dreams. I have noticed that this problem seems to accelerate after working a target.

In the alternative, does anyone have problems falling asleep? Is that a common effect?


Moderator's pre-note: long, long list of reading here (thanks Sarah!) including many scientific papers. There are a number of resources and references for reading materials on RV, included the Firedocs web site. I put this note up front because I don't know how many people will make it to the bottom of this one. ;-) -- PJ


Rauscher, Elizabeth A. "Electromagnetic Phenomena in Complex Geometries and Nonlinear Phenomena, Non-Hertzian Waves and Magnetic Monoples, Telsa Book Company, P.O. Box 1649, Greenville, Tx 75401, 1982

Schnabel, Jim, Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies", Dell, 1997

Puthoff and Targ, "Information transmission under conditions of sensory shielding", Nature, Vol. 251, October 18, 1974

Swann, Ingo, untitled on-line draft of book, May 5, 1997

May, Edwin C., "The American Institutes for Research Review of The Department of Defense's STAR GATE Program: A Commentary, Journal of Parapscyhology, 60, 3-23, March 1996

The following papers are in "The Iceland Papers" editied by Andrija Puharich, M.D., LL.D.:

Costa de Beauregard, Olivier, "The Expanding Paradigm of the Einstein Theory", Institut Henri Poincare, Paris, 1979

Hasted, John B., "Paranormal Metal-Bending", Department of Physics, Birkbeck College, University of London, 1979

Mattuck, Richard D., "The Action of Consciousness on Matter: A Quantum Mechanical Theory of Psychokinesis", Mechanics and Materials Sciences Department, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland, 1979

Puthoff, Harold and Targ, Russell, "Direct Perception of Remote Geographical Locations", SRI, International, Menlo Park, 1979

Rauscher E., "Some Physical Models Potentially Applicable to Remote Perception", Lawrence Berkley Laboratory, University of California, 1979


Targ, Russell, Remote-viewing replication: Evaluated by concept analysis. Journal of Parapsychology, 1994 Sep, v58 (n3):271-284. Abstract: Compared the findings of R. Targ and H. E. Puthoff's (see PA, Vol 57:4614) remote-viewing experiment with those of a new remote-viewing experiment using 6 inexperienced male volunteers. The current study incorporated all the revisions in methodology suggested by critics of the Targ and Puthoff study. Every Subject attempted to describe randomly selected distant locations visited by the experimenters. Four of the Subjects achieved independent statistical significance in their 6 trials, evaluated by rank ordering of the 6 transcripts. The 1-tailed probability of finding 4 participants significant at p < .05 out of the 6 was p < 8 * 10-super(-5). An effect size of 0.63 was obtained. Results suggest that, in general, there was more variability from trial to trial within an Subject's set of transcripts than there was between the Subjects. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1995 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Targ, Russell., A decade of remote-viewing research. IN: Silver threads: 25 years of parapsychology research.; Beverley Kane, Jean Millay, Dean Harold Brown, Eds. Praeger Publishers/Greenwood Publishing Group, Inc, Westport, CT, US. 1993. p. 54-63. Abstract: (from the chapter) (the author) wanted to create experiments that a person could do at any time, developing and using intuition rather than the analytical approach; concluded that the ability for remote viewing is natural and innate, and anyone who feels comfortable with the idea of having paranormal ability can have it; the scientific methods and psychological environment ...developed in (the) laboratory (help) to facilitate psychic functioning; (the author describes the use of his "psychic battery" to measure the remote viewing abilities of 3 different people).

May, Edwin C.; Utts, Jessica M.; Humphrey, Beverly S.; Luke, Wanda L.; and others. Advances in remote-viewing analysis. Journal of Parapsychology, 1990 Sep, v54 (n3):193-228. Abstract: Fuzzy set technology is applied to the research question of how to automate the analysis of remote-viewing (RV) data. Fuzzy sets were invented to describe the subjectivity inherent in human reasoning. Applied to RV analysis, the technique involves a quantitative encoding of target and response material and provides a formal comparison. The accuracy of a response is defined as the percent of the intended target material that is described correctly. The reliability is defined as the percent of the response that was correct. The assessment of the RV quality is defined as the product of accuracy and reliability, called the figure of merit. The procedure is applied to a test set of 6 RV trials. A comparison of the figures of merit with the subjective assessments of 37 independent analysts shows good agreement. The fuzzy set technology can also be used to improve and quantify target orthogonality. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1991 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Hearne, Keith M., A forced-choice remote-viewing experiment. Journal of the Society for Psychical Research, 1989 Jan, v55 (n814):275-278. Abstract: In a forced-choice, remote-viewing experiment, a 35-yr-old woman attempted, at 12 specific times, to locate her 38-yr-old male friend who was positioned at 1 of 2 randomly selected places familiar to both Subjects. The results at face value provided no evidence to support her claim, although a post hoc inspection showed that 9 out of 10 of the target-guess pairs were correct, 2 trials ahead (displacement). Relationship problems prevented further investigation. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1989 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Targ, Elisabeth; Targ, Russell; Lichtarge, Olivier., Realtime clairvoyance: A study of remote viewing without feedback. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1985 Oct, v79 (n4):493-500. Abstract: Attempted to isolate clairvoyance from precognition or telepathy in an experiment in which 2 experienced viewers were asked to describe slides that were projected in a neighboring room during the experiment. In each trial, a single color gel and a single picture of a place were projected such that they were superimposed. Subjects were given feedback either on the color or on the place, but never on both. Target slides and responses were encoded so that, both before and after the experiment, no person ever knew which slides were the correct target or how an Subject performed on a particular trial. Six trials were carried out with each S. Although scores on the trials with feedback did not achieve significance, the findings with regard to rank-order judging suggested that extrachance factors were operating in the nonfeedback, pure clairvoyance trials. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1988 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Vilenskaya, Larissa. Remote viewing: Questions and answers. PSI Research, 1985 Sep-Dec, v4 (n3-4):89-97. Abstract: Discusses ways to enhance the reliability of remote viewing (clairvoyance) tests. Factors influencing the relatively high success rate of remote viewing studies are described. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1987 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Targ, Russell; Targ, Elisabeth; Harary, Keith., Moscow-San Francisco remote viewing experiment. PSI Research, 1984 Sep-Dec, v3 (n3-4):74-82. Abstract: Conducted joint experiments to demonstrate remote viewing over a 10,000-mile distance. A famous Soviet healer described 2 San Francisco, California, locations where a confederate was "hiding." The experiments were videotaped and witnessed by scientists from the USSR Academy of Scientists. In Exp I, feedback was provided to Subject; in Exp II, no feedback was provided. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1985 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Hill, Scott. Applied psi: Remote internal viewing: Methodology and preliminary results. PSI Research, 1984 Jun, v3 (n2):53-61. Abstract: Reviews selected methodological aspects of previous controlled ESP experiments that use the remote viewing protocol and describes a variant of remote viewing experiments, "remote internal viewing" (RIV), which uses the methodology of ESP research to investigate the faculty of psychic diagnosis. Preliminary data were gathered on 60 medical patients, 20 of which satisfied the criteria for psychic diagnosis. A typical sequence for the RIV diagnosis by the psychic is described. Preliminary results indicate that (1) RIV seems analogous to normal viewing; the only difference is that the body seems transparent or shadowlike in RIV. (2) The process is dynamic, as the information changes with time. (3) The verbal description is highly accurate. (4) The process involves revealing the causal nature of manifested symptoms. (5) The psychic was able to determine whether the illness could be alleviated by normal means, psychic healing, both, or neither. It is stressed that more validation is required of the modalities involved in the process of RIV. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1985 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Schlitz, Marilyn J.; Haight, JoMarie. Remote viewing revisited: An intrasubject replication. Journal of Parapsychology, 1984 Mar, v48 (n1):39-49. Abstract: Replicated a long-distance remote-viewing experiment conducted by the 1st author and E. Gruber (see PA, Vol 67:2316). Remote viewing is an experimental procedure for describing geographical locations without aid of the senses. The 1st author acted as percipient and remained in Durham, North Carolina, while the 2nd author acted as agent and visited target sites in Cocoa Beach, Florida. After the completion of 10 experimental trials, 2 judges compared the percipient's descriptions with the actual target sites. Analysis of the results by a direct count-of-permutations method indicated successful replication of the previous experiment. It is concluded that parapsychologists have much to gain from both empirical science and the adoption of a phenomenological attitude toward the study of psi. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1985 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Targ, Russell; Morris, Robert L. Note on a reanalysis of the UCSB remote-viewing experiments. Journal of Parapsychology, 1982 Mar, v46 (n1):47-50. Abstract: Presents a reanalysis of the 1st 6 of the 12 remote-viewing experiments carried out at the University of California at Santa Barbara (UCSB) in 1975. Blind trials by 3 independent judges yielded significant correspondences between the judges' ranking of viewer transcripts and the target locations for which they were intended. This suggests that remote viewing occurred in these trials. The nonsignificance of the last 6 trials may have been due to the fact that they occurred the week before final exams for the students/participants and to increasing fatigue and inattentiveness by judges as the trials proceeded. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1983 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Schlitz, Marilyn; Gruber, Elmar. Transcontinental remote viewing: A rejudging. Journal of Parapsychology, 1981 Sep, v45 (n3):233-237. Abstract: In an earlier report on remote viewing, it was noted by M. Schlitz and E. Gruber (see PA, Vol 67:2316) that in spite of the rigorous methods employed, a potential weakness existed in the study that involved inclusion of the agent's impressions of the target sites in the material given to judges. To insure the validity of earlier findings, a rejudging with 2 undergraduates was undertaken to eliminate this potential for sensory cuing. Results of the rejudging were significant. A comparison of the 2 sets of judgments yielded no significant difference; this rejudging confirmed the robustness of the Schlitz and Gruber finding. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1982 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Schlitz, Marilyn; Gruber, Elmar. Transcontinental remote viewing. Journal of Parapsychology, 1980 Dec, v44 (n4):305-317. Abstract: Two experimenters carried out a long-distance remote-viewing experiment, with one of them, in Detroit, Michigan, acting as percipient and the other, in Rome, Italy, as the agent. From a pool of 40 geographical target locations in Rome, 10 were randomly chosen without replacement, and the agent visited them one at a time for 15 min on each of 10 consecutive days. The percipient, at the same time, recorded in words and sketches her impressions of the agent's location. Later, 5 independent judges received copies of these sketches, and the impressions translated into Italian. They visited the locations and judged the protocols with respect to their correspondence to the target sites. Analysis of the results by a direct-count-of-permutations method yielded a p of 4.7 * 10-super(-6 ) for judges' ratings and 5.8 * 10-super(-6) for rankings. The authors point out that free-response remote viewing may be a psi-conducive procedure, but that the results may also have been influenced by exceptionally high motivation on the part of the 2 experimenters. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1982 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Tart, Charles T.; Puthoff, Harold E.; Targ, Russell. Information transformation in remote viewing experiments. Nature, 1980 Mar, v284 (n5752):191. Abstract: Presents evidence showing that D. Marks and R. Kammann's (1978) criticism of remote viewing experiments by the present authors (1974, 1976, 1977) is invalid. Marks and Kammann suggested that success in such experiments is an artifact of statements in the Subjects' transcripts that provide extraneous cues useful to judges attempting to blind match the transcripts to target sites. Replication studies are described that continue to confirm that remote viewing is a viable human perceptual capability. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1981 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Karnes, Edward W.; Ballou, Julie; Susman, Ellen P.; Swaroff, Philip. Remote viewing: Failures to replicate with control comparisons. Psychological Reports, 1979 Dec, v45 (n3):963-973. Abstract: Investigated the paranormal phenomenon termed "remote viewing" (RV) by using procedures employed in successful demonstrations of the phenomenon. 20 college students, selected as receivers because of their personal experiences with ESP, were given 2 RV trials. A control condition was used on Trial I to evaluate chance factors in RV. Independent judges and receivers evaluated the accuracy of RV by comparing receivers' protocols to senders' descriptions and by visits to the target sites. Results do not support an RV hypothesis. Means for judgments of correct receiver protocols were not significantly different between experimental and control receivers and were not significantly different from judgment means for incorrect receiver protocols. A psychic/nonpsychic interpretation of judgment successes is discounted by the finding that successes could be accounted for in terms of differences among rating means for targets or differences among rating means for individual judges. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1981 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Karnes, Edward W.; Susman, Ellen P. Remote viewing: A response bias interpretation. Psychological Reports, 1979 Apr, v44 (n2):471-479. Abstract: Investigated the psychic or paranormal phenomenon termed remote viewing (RV) using a signal-detection experimental procedure. RV involves the reported ability of a person (the receiver) physically separated from another person (the sender) to describe the surroundings (the target) of the sender. 90 undergraduates were used in an experimental condition designed to measure the accuracy of RV and 25 served in a control condition designed to provide a baseline for guessing or response bias. The accuracy of RV was objectively measured by having receivers select color photographs of the sender's location and rate the confidence of their selections. Results offered no statistical support for RV either in terms of the proportions of correct and incorrect selections or in terms of the confidence ratings attached to correct and incorrect selections. The finding that successful receivers offered reliably more selection responses or guesses than did nonsuccessful receivers provided a basis for possible interpretation of success in demonstrations of RV. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1980 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Dunne, Brenda J.; Bisaha, John P. Precognitive remote viewing in the Chicago area: A replication of the Stanford experiment. Journal of Parapsychology, 1979 Mar, v43 (n1):17-30. Abstract: The ability of untrained individuals to describe a remote geographical site where an agent will be at a future time, before the target location has been determined, was investigated in 8 separate trials using 2 female percipients who had no claim to extraordinary psychic abilities. The transcripts of their descriptions were matched and ranked against the various target locations by 8 independent judges who had no other connection with the experiment. Results of this matching indicate a high degree of accuracy. The fact that this paper represents a replication of an earlier experiment (H. Puthoff and R. Targ, 1976) suggests that remote viewing as an experimental design provides additional evidence substantiating the existence of extrasensory perceptual and communication channels. (PsycINFO Database Copyright 1980 American Psychological Assn, all rights reserved).

Wow! Great list. A couple of things on there I didn't know about. But while we're listing good sources on RV, let us not forget to mention for those new to the subject and the VWR list the following:

Joe McMoneagle's "Mind Trek," recently reissued in a new edition by Hampton Roads Publishing.

Robert Jahn & Brenda Dunne's "Margins of Reality," by Harcourt, Brace, and Jovanovitch.

Ingo Swann's "Everybody's Guide to Natural ESP" (admittedly hard to find these days).

Targ and Puthoff's "Mind Reach" (also hard to find).

And, if you can track it down, Ingo Swann's "To Kiss Earth Good-bye."

Even Targ & Harary's "Mind Race" is worth reading--and a bit easier to find.

Anybody else with ideas out there?


[Archive Note: Paul Smith, former U.S. Intell RV]

Moderator's Note: The Firedocs "RV References" page has lots of ideas too.

> Anybody else with ideas out there?

The Inner Vision Web Site contains a comprehensive 100 year Bibliography, not only of RV materials but OBE, clairvoyance, human consciousness and other related documents. Also, the Inner Vision Library at the web site contains book reviews of most of the recently published RV books. Admittedly, the reviews are just one person's view but they give you ISBN numbers, pricing, publishers information etc.

Kind regards

Angela Thompson Smith

Don't forget Ingo's online essays on the Superpowers of the Human Biomind.


Moderator's Note: Right! Those who don't know, you can find it all at:

To All, I'm grateful for this information that you all have so graciously shared.My psychic developement has just begun to take off & I'm searching for new methods.I have no formal training. The time I invest, my strong desire & my belief that I can seem to be the main ingredients. The rest of this recipe seems confusing & I'm noticing "resistance" coming up for me. For me, keep it simple works best. I'm so new, I'm not even a Newbie. I was considering ordering a tape & am devouring your feed back. Practice is the key & I'm currently doing many readings (psychic boot camp) & can now feel my energy shift & know when I'm channeling & when I'm not.Huge breakthrough for me. Learning to direct that energy is very appealing. My goal is to locate missing children.Recently, I did recieve info on a missing woman but could not locate her.I feel led to this Web site & have a huge appetite for this knowledge. That is all I'm certain of.


Moderator's Note: Welcome, Jamie. RV is one little lillypad on the surface of that big pond of psychic waters. I recommend you visit the Firedocs web site (URL listed on the 'signature tag' for email in this group, below), the "Fire's Personal Archives" page, and wander through some of those general how-to posts. Also, you might want to grab Joe McMoneagle's book "Mind Trek: Exploring Consciousness, Time, and Space Through Remote Viewing" as a nice intro to the subject. Also, a number of people with no formal training are working on the Anomalies & Enigmas BBS, exchanging targets and stories. Go to the "Psi Hands-On" section, here: They're pretty nice and can walk you through some intro-to-intro stuff. Have fun! -- PJ

Thank you all for your input on targeting personal interests. I am taking note, learning much and I feel I'm home. When I browse the web and see some of the total BS that's going on out there..... Big kiss to you all and PJ.

Now one more Q and I'll do my best to shut up for a while. <G> When I RV'd the Titanic, I experienced the drowning sensation quite strongly.

Yesterday, I did a target off the web which provided 2x4 random digit Nos. I got: Lightness, high, floating, air, clean, cold. Clean air. Ice cold. Mountains. Volcanos. Nausea, headaches. Breathless. (I was literally physically shivering with cold and gasping for breath, felt very sick and my head was pounding and my heart hammering.)

Then I looked down and saw my feet, in blue mountaineering gear, climbing grey stone. I was really fascinated by that. I recognised the clothing as imaginary dressing, but the "my legs inside" experience was real.

Naturally, Everest and Fuji flitted through, but didn't _feel_ right.

So, I stayed with it, and expanded my awareness out. I felt absolutely nothing. No thing. No one. Emptiness, plus a sense of nothing else to get. so I stopped. The target turned out to be the Dark Side of the Moon.

Should there be such strong physical reactions, and is there anyway to set them aside and get on with the session. Also should I be able to look down and see my own feet!

RVing the dark side of the Moon from 8 numbers. OOOOOOoooooohh. It is magic isn't it.


Hi Rick,

>>I'll sometimes get a sudden rush of imagery right out of the blue and a STRONG kinesthetic sense of "being there". ...<snip>... It's the strong feeling I have that I'm actually "there" that makes this so real. They last as long as 3 to 5 seconds, but usually about 2 or 3. Sometimes there are "familiar" smells. These are neither OBE's nor hypnagogic states - both of which I've been through.

Sounds like spontaneous psi to me. I've had that too. Not so much right now, though I go through "phases" where I have it a lot more.

I journalized a lot of my experiences, so I was able to 'track' what context they eventually took. They covered the spectrum. Some seemed to be literally parallel realities, very close to this one but different; tuning into "me," "there." Some seemed to be this reality, tuning into somebody else. (Who may be an aspect of me, who knows.) In a few cases, it was actually a piece of an experience which I later either saw someone else have (but I was physically at the place they were when they had it, although separated by time), or had it myself in another time/space -- as if I tuned into it because it was a high powered emotion or event.

>>Could I be having flashes of someone else's reality?

It could happen. But that someone else may be you, too.

>>Could that explain the familiarity - because I'm experiencing the OTHER person's sense of familiarity with THEIR situation?

That's my guess.

>>Why always contemporary?

Are your daydreams, that you're having just before this hits, reasonably contemporary? I know mine are. I don't normally daydream (while driving) about the 15th century. Maybe if you were doing so, more of your spontaneous episodes would be centered along the 'time' you were focused in just prior.

>>Could I be experiencing some form of bilocation?

There are a lot of different definitions applied to that word, especially in remote viewing.

>>I have zero training in RV'g and this has been happening before I even heard of it.

Ha! Ha! How charming. As if psychic ability were invented in 1972 in a science lab. :-)

>>Could I be intruding on someone's mind?

That's a subjective definition. Intruding IMO would be doing something that got in their way. "Sharing perception" is not intruding unless you want to get into the lack of privacy issue. But, that other person never really had it to begin with, for all you know. Maybe at some point in history we are all just case studies that humanities students 'tune into' as a living college textbook.

>>Could I be in the "now" simply out of lack of skill at moving through time?

Could be. Or maybe it's the 'default' if you're not focused elsewhere.

>>Perhaps this is why I gravitate so strongly to RV'g. Maybe I'm a budding viewer.

Most people with spontaneous psi episodes are attracted to RV because they innately know they have psi ability, and they want to explore it. It's a good sign, actually.


>Can I task myself targets of personal interest. >eg. Diane's car crash. > The chamber under the Sphinx.

Hi Mary and all;

Liam here. Sorry Mary. I know I could not task myself. Even if I made up 100 sites put them in an envelope,and only one was what I wanted to view. (Say the car crash). As soon as I hit that one envelope, and got dark, movement, city,..... my imagination (AOL) would start telling me what I thought happened. I could not trust the information. Worse than that an envelope with the grand canyon as a target might trigger the same response. If I told you I have the coordinates of a secret alien base in new Mexico and I want you to view the coordinates and tell me what the aliens are doing; I bet you find aliens.

What you can do is make up ten or so envelopes with stage 1 sites. (Stage 1 sites are sites with simple gestalts, a moutain, the ocean, land, land/water interface,cities) If you get a good mix your chances of AOL are minimized. The more envelopes also the less chance of AOL. You can clip pictures out of national Geographic if you want.

Best wishes

May the Force be with you,


[Archive Note: Liam, former U.S. Intell RV]

>Liam here. Sorry Mary. I know I could not task myself.

Damn, I was/am (positive thought here folks) looking forward to being nosey <G>.

This is very frustrating and I'm really getting confused here.This sounds like a Catch 22. I'm sorry if I'm being thick. I truly am. As a newbie, one never knows if asking a stupid question or not.

You see, I'm reading Nancy's letter. >For example, when I "looked" at my partner's very sick >father, there kept being more info, which would pop up at odd times later, >for a couple of days. I recently did a session on a supposedly autistic >boy of 5

Nancy looked at her partners father. Surely, Nancy must have known/chosen her target. What about assessing, without front loading, the little boy. I recall another vwr mentioned looking for an item (car keys?) for a friend. Isn't that targetting personal interests? Also, how can a professional vwr, working alone, decide whether to take on a client, if they can't know, without too much front loading, what the client wants. Doesn't the same Catch 22 apply?

Be patient with me, my brain hurts.


Moderator's Note: Yes, but you're USING it, and it shows. -- PJ

> I recall another vwr mentioned looking for an item (car keys?) for a > friend. Isn't that targetting personal interests? Also, how can a > professional vwr, working alone, decide whether to take on a client, if > they can't know, without too much front loading, what the client wants. > Doesn't the same

The question of whether a person is targeting a personal issue or not successfully is more related to the intensity of your interest that will throw you off. The more you are impacted, the less objective you become . The key here is objectivity. Other than that human nature is human nature, sometimes you are so vested in the outcome that you should turn the target over to someone else. RV or psychic the principles are the same here.

Rob A

The key here is whether or not you know what the target is before hand; vested interest or not, focus or not. Knowing you are looking for car keys, a friend's or not, isn't material. What is material is the fact that you are looking for car keys and know it ahead of time. Your mind fills with all the places you have probably ever left your own car keys, all the places you know your friend leaves their car keys, and all the possible places your friend might have left their car keys... so how would you ever pick out the intuitive information from the manufactured? To my knowledge (in over twenty years of RV), no one has ever demonstrated a capacity for accurately and consistently differentiating between the two types of information... intuitive versus front-loaded. So, if you have to prevent one from ocurring, eliminating the front-loaded seems the logical way to go.



[Archive Note: Joseph McMoneagle, former U.S. Intell RV]

October 1997

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