[VWR]-Digest: V2 #75

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:26:40 +0200
From: "Liam " <liam@zmatrix.com>
Subject: [VWR] AOL in ERV

Someone asked:
<< What I'm getting at is, are there AOL's in ERV?

Gene replied:
>Most certainly there are AOL's in ERV and after working extensively
>in both CRV and ERV as a monitor... I can tell you with some
>authority that the evilness of AOL drive happens much quicker and
>with more frequency in ERV than in CRV... Gene...
Hi all;
Liam here. Well said Gene! AOL is a huge danger in ERV. That is
the reason, IMHO, a monitor is more important in ERV than in CRV. In
CRV you know that if you get a visual it is AOL. But, ERV is visual,
or maybe para-visual(new word, I just invented). The other danger is
in ERV you are in an altered state and much less able to reason out
this is AOL. Telephone poles in a desert become trees, than a forest
and then you are off on a trip. I believe one basic rule applies to
interpreting data from an ERV or CRV session. Rule: If it is raw
data - it is probably correct. If it is interpretation of raw data
(by the viewer while on site)- it is probably incorrect.

Sorry I have not been contributing more. I have been busy. I must
comment later on Pru's comment that Gene was a perfect Gentleman.
Come on Pru. The lad can turn the Irish Charm on when he wants to,
but under the Celtic charm the man is a barbarian. He did not know
how to eat with a knife and fork when I first met him. In the last
twenty years I have been able to educate him so he no longer
embarrasses himself in public but a "Gentleman."????

May the force be with you

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:32:41 +1000
From: Mark <bud@sphynxlinks.com.au>

Hi Joe, mark is my name and i`m interested in purchasing one of your
tapes on lyn and his work. I live in australia and our systems over
here operate on PAL . my e-mail is bud@sphynxlinks.com.au. Please get
back to me and let me know if it`s still happening . Sorry i took so
long to reply to your kind offer but i recall you saying you were
going ou holidays. Talk to you soon and good viewing

Ufojoe1 wrote:

> I have for sale, an interview that I did with Lyn
> Buchanan during my basic CRV class in San
> Francisco. It's nothing fancy as far as visuals go
> but the info. that Lyn spouts out is very interesting.

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Moderator's Note: Most of the delay was mine Joe, not his. Sorry
'bout that. -- PJ

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:28:22 -0400
From: David Pursglove <74434.351@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR] Re: Drugs and


You seem unaware of the work of Dr. Stan Grof who had outstanding success
with alcoholics in his LSD-based treatment program. The research results
of this program still stand as one of the lowest recidivism rates ever

Automobile accidents kill more people every day than psychoactives ever
have, yet we haven't made automobiles illegal. There is a difference
between the vehicle and choices made by the driver.

Oh myomy!! A-frigging-MEN!!!

Sorry, but my life has precluded reply to this until now. Swamped,

Go Grof!!! Yr right, of course!

- -=d=-

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:09:43
From: "Paul H. Smith" <phsmith@rviewer.com>
Subject: [VWR] Skeptic page


I'm writing this e-mail in response to a number of questions and
concerns I've received about the U. of Texas skeptic's RV webpage.
Some have expressed worry that those running the page may not be
objective, may have an agenda, or may be trying to "put one over" on
us. I had a lengthy conversation with the guy primarily responsible
for the page, and feel much reassured. I'm convinced that he is
sincere and wants to do a good job with this. He's trying to typify
the "open-minded" skeptic I discussed in my RV presentation he
attended last month, which was the impetus for his designing the
page. I made claims for and showed results of remote viewing that
gave him pause, and made him think that of all the claims about
paranormal phenomena he'd heard--and seen conclusive evidence
against--just maybe RV was one that could actually stand on its own
merits. We even talked about him applying for a grant to turn this
into a sophisticated and very serious evaluation of RV (he'd need a
grant to keep the project going for long; he's a young physics
graduate student with a brand-new daughter of whom he is extremely
proud! :-).

Done right, this could be a very attention-getting and validating
project for RV. It's already received some attention. There was a
fairly positive editorial about it in the Daily Texan, the UT campus
newspaper. He says his fellow skeptics are monitoring the project,
but some of them aren't too happy about it. Guess they're afraid if
the project works they'll just have to take RV a little more
seriously!<g> Besides the opportunity for some real clean
double-blind practice opportunities (something I don't get enough
opportunity for myself), we just might "convert" some of the "enemy."

Three targets have closed so far, and there's been an average of 6 or
7 sessions contributed against each. There have been a few complete
misses, but a number of not-too-bad results. There have also been
some glitches. The most serious one was that the one session that
would have been a bona-fide hit (more about that in a minute), didn't
get into the results. We don't know why it didn't get in, but the
skeptic told me he was totally mortified when he received the query
about it after the fact. He said literally his "heart sank" when he
saw how good the results were, and realized they hadn't gotten in in
accordance with the protocol. He was afraid that people would think
he'd left it out on purpose, and attribute it to just one more
underhanded skeptic's trick. He was gracious enough to at least post
it in the forum section of the page after-the-fact so that people
could be aware of the error, and know that the session existed. I
should add, that he's trying to refine the process as he goes, and
welcomes suggestions. He's had a crash course in website
construction--he basically learned how to do it just for this
project. Expect some glitches, but i think he's doing a great job,
all things considered.

He and I have both taken steps to set up some safeguards to make sure
this one particular problem doesn't happen again. If you want a
fail-safe for session summaries that you want to submit to the
skeptic webpage, e-mail me and I'll make sure they get posted in
another "honest broker" location in case of future problems.

Now, kudos for what would have been the first unambiguous "hit."
Angela Thompson Smith did a CRV session against Target #2 (which
turned out to be the Cheops Pyramid in Egypt). Here is her summary:

Rising up out of a bleak sparce landscape is a solitary solid
structure. Colors of black, white and grey. Initially tower like, it
"morphed" into a triangular structure, like the Cheops Pyramid. The
structure is located in a bleak, windswept, expansive area which was
grey and monotonous. Bands or lines run horizontally around the
structure. At the top, the lines radiate out around the peak of the
structure. Solid structure."

Her sketch, which she faxed me, is a classic pyramid drawing with
horizontal bands around it, representing courses of stone.

Of course, even though in THIS case she "named" the target (CRV
students note, however, the "comparator" present!), don't anyone
forget that our job is to DESCRIBE not NAME!

Let's all give Angela a round of applause!

I urge you all to take advantage of this webpage. Let's show these guys
what we can do!

Good hunting,

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:50:27 -0400
From: Prudence Calabrese <prudence@largeruniverse.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR] Targeting paradoxHale Bopp 'Companion' RV

>Thanks for the clarification Moderator's Note Pru. That's exactly the type of
>telepathic overlay thing I was referring to in my own note.

Thanks Bevy!

I viewed the Hale Bopp companion myself - way back in the Chuck
Shramek photo days (November 96). I "saw" the companion, and the data
felt as real as any other data. The session was done solo blind, so I
had no monitor overlay, and I was not in the throes of AOL overdrive.
I was getting basic perceptuals that would support a Hale Bopp
companion theory - all based on the telepathic overlay of the tasker
who was expecting me to see such a thing.


Prudence Calabrese
TransDimensional Systems
tel: (770) 814-9410
fax: (770) 497-1129

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:43:56 -0400
From: Prudence Calabrese <prudence@largeruniverse.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR] AOL in ERV

>I must
>comment later on Pru's comment that Gene was a perfect Gentleman.
>Come on Pru. The lad can turn the Irish Charm on when he wants to,
>but under the Celtic charm the man is a barbarian.

Hmmmmmmm..... Gene said the same thing about you, Liam! Now what am I
to believe??? Of course, he didn't eat while we were together, so
the myth continues... I heard some great stories about remote
viewing during the Reagan era, though, and got instruction on how to
deal with the "little people." Sound advice, all the way around!


Prudence Calabrese
TransDimensional Systems
tel: (770) 814-9410
fax: (770) 497-1129

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 00:04:15 -0500
From: Rich Krankoski <kranko@ac.net>
Subject: Re: [VWR] 2nd UT Skeptic target

> Moderator's Note: I guess I fail to see, with 20+ years and thousands
> of legitimate RV trials, decades of intelligence work and plenty of
> qualified taskers (including those with real cases), why anybody
> would want to cater to "skeptic's targets"....

Regardles of the motives, I think this is the kind of site I was
looking for.....
examples.......hits and misses....various methods.....etc.

I dont see why any demo should be non-public or not include misses,
after all I thought the consensus is that success rates are quite far
away from 100%. I don't believe that anyone in the e-mail group has
claimed a near 100% success rate for any method.

It would be great if you could get a hit site going.....another source
of information. I really would like to see tons of good sessions. I
still have seen very few.


- ----------------
Moderator's Note: The real number for "real" and experienced Viewers
is probably somewhere between tons and very few -- but, in proper
protocol (which most things aren't done in nowdays), 'tons' probably
isn't a claim made too often by the pragmatic..... -- PJ

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