[VWR]-Digest: V2 #80

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:15:52 -1000
From: Jason Becera <jbecera@poi.net>
Subject: Re: [VWR] AOL in ERV

At 05:26 PM 4/4/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi all;
>Liam here. Well said Gene! AOL is a huge danger in ERV. That is
>the reason, IMHO, a monitor is more important in ERV than in CRV. In
>CRV you know that if you get a visual it is AOL. But, ERV is visual,
>or maybe para-visual(new word, I just invented).

Hi Liam,

I'm not that familiar with the protocols for CRV, but, if I'm
understanding you correctly, are you saying that CRV is not meant to
produce visuals?

>In CRV you know that if you get a visual it is AOL.

Can you clarify that.
Oh, and I like your new word, para-visual. You should send it in to


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:41:12 -0700
From: Angela Thompson Smith <Catalyst@sprintmail.com>
Subject: [VWR] VWR: Visit to Virginia in May

At the end of May, I will be visiting Charlottesville, VA for the SSE
Conference and to visit my publisher. If anybody wants to get
together then I will have a few days free before the conference. I will
be arriving in Charlottesville on the Sunday night, 24th May and the
conference doesn't start until the evening of the 28th. I would love to
meet some of the VWR and PSILIST folks from that neck of the woods.

Kind regards
Angela Thompson Smith
Inner Vision Research Institute

[formerly innervision, site now closed - archivists note]

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:06:01 -0700
From: greg <greg@ideamachine.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR]-Digest: V2 #77

> >From: "John Krimes" <aaaaa@ptdprolog.net>
> >*SNIP* I believe I, and other newbies, fail(unable to obtain_any_
> >information) at CRV because of the inability to quiet the mind. Does
> >any one have suggestions and how did you experts overcome this
> >problem?

I found the easiest way to quiet the mind is to focus on a singular
thought - I usually find a tone or a simple sound (washing machine in
background, or middle tone in a binaural beat sound tape). Try to think
of NOTHING but your tone. It's kind of like walking on a fence - you're
seldomly in balance - usually off to one side or the other, but quickly
correcting so that you don't fall off the fence.


Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:51:06 +0200
From: Steve Preston <spreston@cuci.nl>
Subject: RE: [VWR] Shamans & RV

Hi Liam and all,

Re: Peyote Ceremony
I went to this ceremony and did not take any peyote medicine. I stayed =
up with the group all night long, had very strong painful insights
about myself =(which is the purpose of this ceremony), sensed very
strong emotions and =intentions from the people participating and
felt the presence of the =spirits very clearly.=20

Now something which may fit into this subject.

I RV a friend's family history a while ago. My friend is Native American =
and one of her relatives is a medicine man (during RV I sensed him as
"bad medicine"). After the session on my way home I heard a very
strong voice telling me: =I know you know me now, watch out, I can
harm you.

Of course, I felt shocked for a moment, felt danger. But later on, I
=knew I am protected and "he" could not harm me, because I would not
let =him do so.

This incident made me to question whether Shamans, RVers or any other
=methods you work with, use the same channel and can communicate with
=each other.

Just hope what I wrote made some sense. I would appreciate your
comments =on that.

Love and Peace to all

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:47:46 EDT
From: Curran2106 <Curran2106@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [VWR] Shamans & RV

In a message dated 98-04-22 20:21:09 EDT, you write:

<< Finally; if you are looking for an easier, softer, way, the
shamanistic version is not it. There are several people in this
group who can train you to be an operational RVer in less than six
months (if you and they/us have sufficient free time to devote to the
process). To become a Medicine Person, takes years and years of
study and dedication by a person who has demonstrated talent in this
area. Remember; "Reality is for those people who cannot deal with
drugs." slainte May the force be with you Liam >>

A rare day indeed fellow net surfers so mark it well...I agree with
Liam completely in his comments. Notwithstanding the many degrees
and titles of the people who will no doubt challenge his
statements...what you may not know is that his wife is an active
practitionor of many of the shamanistic rituals as a native American.
She is also a wonderfully and courageously reformed alchoholic so
she knows the pitfalls of the easy way...some things cannot be
learned in books at wonderful ivy covered halls of learning...they
have to be lived and both Liam and Sandy have lived lives which would
place most of you ini complete awe that they are still man and wife,
still wonderfully in love with other and at least in the case of
Sandy...still one sexy broad...Ya did OK this time Liam...I can
forgive you slams at my ability to eat with those terrible English
utensils...and my still developing when in the company of
non-Irish...but only this once...Next time...it will be hell of a
hooley... Gene..

Moderator's Note: You guys are starting to become an old boys club,
both figuratively and literally. ;-) -- PJ

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:14:36 -0400
From: mceagle@zmatrix.com (Joseph W. McMoneagle)
Subject: Re: [VWR]-Digest: V2 #77

> Is it true that Ingo Swann got a patent on his remote viewing
>protocol? Can someone give me that number?

Not to my knowledge. But I have to also say that in my own opinion
the methodologies currently being used for teaching do not completely
reflect what he (Mr. Swann) envisioned as a full teaching
methodology--since many elements within his original methodology were
later modified by others. As a general rule what is usually bought by
the military is ultimately owned by the American Taxpayer. So
whatever the military feels they purchased probably belongs to all of
us--if you figure out exactly what that might be, let me know. :)

If I understand things properly, the right of manufacture is somewhat
different from the right of use. Like when the military buys the right to
use an operating system that comes with the computers it
purchases--but not the right to resell it.

When it comes to the military and training, this may be the single
greatest factor impacting on why so many changes have been made to
the original methodologies utilized--so that it can be re-distributed
as something other than. It is also possible that since the original
processes (at least as I understand them from my observations while
at SRI-International) were very complex in the extreme, so very few
people truly understood what it was he was doing in the first place.
I would add, that complexity or lack of understanding by others
should not be misconstured as meaning they were in some way
ineffective, as the way in which Mr. Swann taught them was very

It is sort of a problem of someone being "taught to do" and not being
"taught to teach." When someone is taught for the first purpose and not the
latter, you do not necessarily explain some of the things you are doing and
why. Hence some elements of the traning are never automatically passed on
within the training. Unfortunately, many students are unaware of this and
"presume" they have seen it all by virtue of the fact that they have been
somewhat trained.

In the final response, one really would have to ask Mr. Swann?

Warm regards,

Joseph W. McMoneagle -- IIA, Inc., P.O. Box 100, Nellysford,
Virginia 22958. 804-361-9215 FAX: 804-361-9056

"Courage is the best Slayer." Thus Spake Zarathustra, XLVI--The
Vision and the Enigma; Friedrich Nietzsche (pub. 1917)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:07:11 +0100
From: MaryD <Ladyley@innerlightuk.u-net.com>
Subject: [VWR] RV and personal aptitude

I am without doubt a people person, when doing RV, or any other form of
psychic work.

I know that each vwr is better at some aspects than others. Maybe the
doctor sees the medical side, the architect the stucture of a building for

How should we handle this? Is it better to focus on one's own aptitude, or
strive to gain a broad working ability of all the various aspects.

What advice do you have?

BTW, Firedocs should be getting a few hundred hits any time now, from
another list I belong to. Told them its the most comprehensive RV site on
the internet.<G>

Thank you in advance and regards to all as always, MaryD

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:59:39 -0700
From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Subject: Re: [VWR] 2nd UT Skeptic target

Craig Hogan wrote:

> I'm new to this so I don't know what's going on. A horde of emails =
> dropped into my box one day. I think I said I wanted to be on an =
> emailing list.

Craig, the horde of emails that dropped on you yesterday were from the
same email list (singular), however those emails have been caught in
the snake for over a week...normally it won't be so many.

> Anyway, what is the page with the targets that you are using for >"hits"?


See Paul Smith's posting yesterday for a little background about this
site and their project.

- --

Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
ICQ Pager 6797092

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:14:30 -0400
From: mceagle@zmatrix.com (Joseph W. McMoneagle)
Subject: Re: [VWR]-Digest: V2 #76

>PJ Gaenir wrote:
>> At this point there is quite a bit of (empirical, of course)
>> evidence
>>documented by investigators in the field, particularly in the case
>>of children remembering great detail about lives spent (as adults)

>From: David Pursglove <74434.351@compuserve.com>
>The very best work is by Ian Stevenson at UVA. Incredibly
>persuasive! with kids, mostly not in the USA, several in India, if I
>recall right. ALso, if memory serves, he found only about 13 cases
>out of hundreds investigated that really cut the mustard. And they
>*really* do.

You are partially right. Ian Stevenson's recent book, "WHERE
addressed about 13 or 14 cases of reincarnation, mostly overseas
(India, Burma, Turkey, Sri Lanka, etc.), and is specifically focused
on Birthmarks and birth scars. Of course, one of the reasons for
addressing overseas cases versus United States cases is because there
is more control over the "kids (subjects)" exposure to news and
culture, and these cultures already focus on the material as part of
their social heritage, hence the case studies, materials and
information collected, are somewhat cleaner or come from earlier in
the subject's life.

While it would appear there are only a few, I would add that his
examples are taken from literally thousands of varified and
documented cases which Ian has studied over a near 30 year period,
most of which have been published in an academic multi-volume set
consisting of a few thousand pages.

Unfortunately, that is why most of us can't afford them. Hence the
publication of "Where Reincarnation and Biology Intersect"--which represents
only an extract of his research--but one accessible to us poor folk. Dr.
Stevenson's work is actually monumental and will probably stand for decades
as a significant marker in the area of reincarnation.


Joseph W. McMoneagle -- IIA, Inc., P.O. Box 100, Nellysford,
Virginia 22958. 804-361-9215 FAX: 804-361-9056

"Courage is the best Slayer." Thus Spake Zarathustra, XLVI--The
Vision and the Enigma; Friedrich Nietzsche (pub. 1917)

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